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    Over the weekend a young Aussie athelete was gunned down,shot in the back by 3 teenagers in Duncan Oklahoma.WHY? Because they had a gun! No other explanation has been given for this senseles murder which has left so many people devastated.Where did they get the gun? What's the matter with these kids?

    +8  Views: 1313 Answers: 10 Posted: 7 years ago
    mycatsmom

    a lot of murders wouldn't have occured if the gun wasn't there.They get the gun on the street, or out of their grandfather's gun cabinet, or have someone buy them one at a pawn shop. Or they steal the gun from someone who they know.
    Colleen

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    What about the kids who beat the 88 year old man to death? No gun was needed there. Australia has a no gun law yet people are still murdered by guns there. A lot of murders would not happen if we had better laws on how to handle insane people.

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    Folks who see guns as a solution to their problems have chosen not to use intelligence and skill to  get what they want. Desperation drives ignorance into becomming outrageous examples of a wasted life. Thus requiring incarceration in our peanal system where ignorance is often demonized into forms that cannot be trusted to live a free public life. So we have a system of despot development that, cradle to grave, gives us our daily crime spree. We know our ways attract and horrify all within our shores. Obviously we have found ways to make crime pay, its own way, with all of the instruments of personal distruction to choose from. Yes, just about anyone can buy a gun and kill their neighbor, accidentally or intentionally to gain the experience of penal incarceration . That has become a growth industry here, here…and it will likely grow even more should that precious grip on civility be torn from our hands in any sort of economic disaster.  Curious how our fragility could become one of our greatest strengths.  How ironic. 

    robertgrist

    Experience in building character is essential. How are we to conduct our ways in life? What value does an economy of: paper money have, land, skills, problem solving, honesty and law. What value is there in life when you take nothing from this world after death but your experiences in life. Material things are associated with culture but what is of far greater value than all of the material wealth that you may accumulate is experience. For that, what is most needed is a search within and into your heritage within to remove barriers to your awareness and appropriately handle problems with that part of God inside you.
    robertgrist

    We could simply arm everyone in the penal system and let them kill each other to reduce the cost of incarceration. Of course the problem is cultural from childhood up. Consider how well adjusted you were to living in a sensible, reasonable, polite and respectful culture where you were encouraged to learn lessons that actually applied to your personal life and praised for your efforts to be part of a greater-loving cultural system of mutual benefit and respect….What could we have missed to spawn such repulsive conduct?
    Bob/PKB

    You're talking about a modified killing game scenario. For years I've supported the idea of hosting a gangs' war at a large venue. Gangs show up in colors, weapons loaded and sharpened. There are pits for each, to stash their stuff, apply first aid, eat. Set up a few porta-potties. A signal starts the war, which takes a break in "×" minutes. Then another round, break, repeat. At the end of the allotted time for the war, the wounded are tended to, the dead are hauled away. Anyone left standing, and the surviving wounded, are charged with 1st degree murder. Video the war to be used exclusively in court.
    robertgrist

    "The Hunger Games" scenario is appealing somewhat. "Agenda 21" looks like we may be headed that way and similar scenario have been applied to eradicate unwanted criminals already, but we only know publicly about WW2….some of which remains deeply concealed. Here in the USA we have had millions die in the pursuit of unjust causes leaving only fearful whispers and a few dusty trinkets….few serious incitements. I never got a dime of compensation from the tobacco companies. Arsenic use as a pesticide in rice fields( producing cancer in humans and livestock) begs for a redress of grievances…that just floats in the wind. When all that’s required for a vast "killing…oops" is a little stack of green paper slips to a handful of survivors….we have made businessmen into the gods of all our inequities…deserving Hell and receiving a bonus check.

    It's the gangs and the fact that the police do little about them. Where did they get the gun? Could belong to one of the parents, could be one they bought on the streets, could be one they bought from a cop. The kids are bored and aimless today. Many cities and towns can no longer afford to offer places for kids to go. Parents do not make their kids get jobs. The homes are broken and many kids are being raised by one parent. They are often home alone because their parent or parents are working. They are not being raised with values, or compassion for others. They are selfish and do not care. This shooting was just as tragic as the year old baby who got shot in the face by a 17 year old because he had a gun and the mther of the baby had no money for him to take. The kid who was accompanied by a 13 year old, shot her twice (she lived) and killed the baby. These kids are disconnected and do not value life because they feel like they have no value either. 


    (answer updated 8/20)


    From NBC.com 


    "A college baseball player jogging in Oklahoma was shot to death by three teenagers who said they were “bored and didn’t have anything to do, so we decided to kill somebody," authorities said. "


    I think violent movies and video games have played a big part in desensitizing kids so that killing a human being means little more than points in a game or some kind of street cred. 

    No excuses from me, Tommy; right now, I am ashamed to be an American. 
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    Tommyh

    Don't be ashamed to be an American Phyliss.It's still a great country with a whole bunch of great people.But it's a great country in desperate need of better gun control.
    sunnyB

    No don't be ashamed, there are now, and has been in the past alot of decent and brave Americans who have helped keep the world a safer place.
    terryfossil 1

    no excuses needed bob,,be proud to be a yank,,we have martin bryant and port arthur,,but a few mental people are not going to stop me from being a proud aussie,,your country is your birth right,,and only death has the right to take it away..as for gun comments,,,guns dont shoot themselves,,cars dont drive themselves,,bombs dont bomb themselves,,,,head up Bob,
    bulletman

    Well said, Terry and MsBob, you have nothing to be ashamed of, at this time OZ is have unusally high incedents of shootings and we have gun control, i'm afraid there will always be imbeciles out there with guns.
    Bob/PKB

    Thank you, dear friends; your kindness is always overwhelming.
    We are supposed to be the greatest country (?), and I DO appreciate all the opportunities here, but there is something so very wrong with our society. The father of one suspect commented on how much HE was hurting over this, and, certainly that's true; how could anyone stand to have his child be a murder suspect. BUT, there really needs to be no mercy shown here; there is no excuse for what these "people" did...and I heard (don't quote me) they'd killed an animal not long before shooting Chris. Evil.
    terryfossil 1

    hi people of aka,,as Bulletman has said,we have gun control in Aussie,and still people are being shot,,the only people who handed in their guns,are the people who were not going to shoot people wrongly...again the law rules against the majority for the minority....thanks for listening guys and gals.................

    There are alot of young people around ( in all countries) that have respect and want to do good. But , sadly there are too many who don't , lack of disipline and respect for the human race is making them what they are. Here in the uk  guns are illegall but they still manage to obtain them or knives when they want to harm someone. I still beleive in the death penalty as a deterent but,   I really don't know what the answer is.

    terryfossil 1

    hi sunnyB,the death penalty kills killers....and the difference is????????
    sunnyB

    The killers would think twice before killing, it was and would be again a deterrent.
    Bob/PKB

    The death penalty is justified here because the act was executed with malice forethought. It should be nothing less than 1st degree, try them as adults, and hold all completely responsible.

    I'm angry Tom, to kill someone for the thrill, tellls us what sickening society are we living in, i don't care what their ages are, all three should get the death penalty regardless of who pulled the trigger.

    sunnyB

    Totally agree bulletman.
    Tommyh

    Yep.The death penalty would sure teach them a lesson.They won't do it again!
    I feel really sorry for the families of those kids.It's having the same impact on them as it is on Chris's family.One bullet,50 or so broken hearts.
    Bob/PKB

    I agree, too, bulletman. I don't see the point of supporting them in the prison system for the rest of their lives.
    Those guys who killed Chris need the death penalty, and it needs to be carried out without years languishing in prison and wasting space and tax dollars. It may not stop some other a**holes from doing the same thing, but the precedent needs to be set that random killing has swift and severe consequences.

    In the USA there are as many guns as people so getting a gun is not difficult. In the UK guns are uncommon, but people still get killed for no reason. For instance a church organist was killed with a pickaxe handle recently by two men who did not know him but simply went out looking for someone to kill. Until science can identify people with a personality defect and treat them or incarcerate them these motiveless killings will continue.

    Christopher Lane roadside memorial

    hi Tommyh, if  people  dont  care  about  their  own  lives  how  can  they  care  about  anyone  else's...and  anyone  over  the  age  of  7  knows   what  is  right  or  wrong.....and  i  talk  from  experience when  i  say,  when  you  do  not  fear  the  penalty  of  your  actions....you  can  do  whatever  you  like,,,,,,,,,take care


     


    For those that don't know him, Major General Peter Cosgrove is an 'Australian treasure!'


    General Cosgrove was interviewed on the radio recently.


    Read his reply to the lady who interviewed him concerning guns and children.


    Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you gotta love this!


    This is one of the best comeback lines of all time.


    It is a portion of an ABCradio interview between a female broadcaster and General Cosgrove who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military Headquarters.


    FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
    So, General Cosgrove, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?


    GENERAL COSGROVE:
    We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery and shooting.


    FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
    Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?


    GENERAL COSGROVE:
    I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the rifle range.


    FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
    Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?


    GENERAL COSGROVE:
    I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm.


    FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
    But you're equipping them to become violent killers.


    GENERAL COSGROVE:
    Well, Ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you?


    The radiocast went silent for 46 seconds and when it returned, the interview was over.

    Yea heard this on the news so sad the whole world has gone crazy x

    I know that there is an awful lot of advice most of it very true, but however also a lot of beating around the bush about this subject, politicians as usual, trying to walk a middle path with a desire to please everybody, but sadly hardly any substantial meaningful suggestions forth coming,how to solve or attempt to solve this problem, Now to my mind one needs to be  very clinical, and react in a ruthless fashion  be cruel to be kind, first of all  to FIND A LEADER somebody prepared to tell it like it is and see clearly from a colour blind perspective, for what it truthfully is ( a Total crime against all Americans full stop) That a policy be introduced along the same lines, as the French Foreign Legion be introduced, where all proven highly dangerous and anti social serial hard core offenders  prisoners, as well as those sentenced to death,are given a choice join up or face the full wrath of the law. The French know how to handle them this I think will go a considerable way to be a deterrent as well as poetic justice. 


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