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    Johanna Man or Myth Did A Whale Really Swallow him?

     Great mammals Whales and Dolphins when I was 11 years old Two Dolphins Sang Happy Birthday to me Woe Singing Dolphins they were even in harmany with each other also there English was excellent.From that Day I have experienced in my life great love for animals.


    The Whale 


    Do whales have a digestive system? which is it slower than that of humans, therefor, could it be possible that a man called Johanna did spend three days inside the belly of a Whale?


    Or could A Super Powerd Country of today such as China, Russia, And America in a not so distant future, discover Time travel, were they have experimented in time travel sending back in time a Submarine, which travelled back in time for three days, were as the submaring in the time of Johanna surfaced, they accidently picked up Johanna on the deck of the submarine whilst he was fishing in his small fishing boat.


    It was then that the crew and captain of the Sub aprehended Johanna taking him down below into the Captains Quarters of the submarine were Johanna thought he was in the Belly of a whale.? Having Released Johanna from the submarine on to dry land he then went on his way to convert a city through the testomonie of his unusual  captivity.


    Bipaulie would like to thank all you readers and answers this is my last Question for a couple of weeks were I am having some time out were I can have more quality time working on future questions see you all later.


     


                                                                      BIpaulie


     

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    Nice of you to pop in again with another of your fascinating "stories".


    Have a nice break!

    BiPaulie

    Thanx Romas Phfffft

    thank you also for your input in spirutal matters I am sure it was a benefit to many readers
    you may read that I qouted Pants to your prefound teaching however I I will now print you the full version

    As the deer Pants for the Water so my Soul longs after you Psalm of King David
    ROMOS

    Nuvver nice story!
    TX BiPolar!

     


    Question: "Was Jonah truly swallowed by a whale?"


    Answer: The story of Jonah is the amazing tale of a disobedient prophet who, upon being swallowed by a whale (or a “great fish” - see below) and vomited upon the shore, reluctantly led the reprobate city of Nineveh to repentance. The biblical account is often criticized by skeptics because of its miraculous content. These miracles include


    • A Mediterranean storm, both summoned and dissipated by God (1:4-16).
    • A massive fish, appointed by God to swallow the prophet after he was thrown into the sea by his ship’s crew (1:17).
    • Jonah’s survival in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights, or his resurrection from the dead after being vomited upon the shore, depending on how you interpret the text (1:17).
    • The fish vomiting Jonah upon shore at God’s command (2:10).
    • A gourd, appointed by God to grow rapidly in order to provide Jonah with shade (4:6).
    • A worm, appointed by God to attack and whither the shady gourd (4:7).
    • A scorching wind, summoned by God to discomfort Jonah (4:8).


    Critics also find Nineveh’s repentance (3:4-9) hard to believe, though it isn’t technically a miracle. In actual fact, Nineveh’s repentance makes perfect sense given Jonah’s extraordinary arrival upon the shores of the Mediterranean and the prominence of Dagon worship in that particular area of the ancient world. Dagon was a fish-god who enjoyed popularity among the pantheons of Mesopotamia and the eastern Mediterranean coast. He is mentioned several times in the Bible in relation to the Philistines (Judges 16:23-24; 1 Samuel 5:1-7; 1 Chronicles 10:8-12). Images of Dagon have been found in palaces and temples in Nineveh and throughout the region. In some cases he was represented as a man wearing a fish. In others he was part man, part fish—a merman, of sorts.


    As for Jonah’s success in Nineveh, Orientalist Henry Clay Trumbull made a valid point when he wrote, “What better heralding, as a divinely sent messenger to Nineveh, could Jonah have had, than to be thrown up out of the mouth of a great fish, in the presence of witnesses, say on the coast of Phoenicia, where the fish-god was a favorite object of worship? Such an incident would have inevitably aroused the mercurial nature of Oriental observers, so that a multitude would be ready to follow the seemingly new avatar of the fish-god, proclaiming the story of his uprising from the sea, as he went on his mission to the city where the fish-god had its very centre of worship” (H. Clay Trumbull, “Jonah in Nineveh.” Journal of Biblical Literature, Vol. 2, No.1, 1892, p. 56).


    Some scholars have speculated that Jonah’s appearance, no doubt bleached white from the action of the fish’s digestive acids, would have been of great help to his cause. If such were the case, the Ninevites would have been greeted by a man whose skin, hair and clothes were bleached ghostly white—a man accompanied by a crowd of frenetic followers, many of who claimed to have witnessed him having been vomited upon the shore by a great fish (plus any colorful exaggerations they might have added).


    Jonah needed only to cause enough of a stir to gain himself admittance to the king who, upon believing Jonah’s message of imminent doom for himself, would have the power to proclaim a citywide day of fasting and penance. According to the biblical narrative that’s exactly what happened (Jonah 3:6-9). So we see that, given the caveat that Jonah was spewed upon the shore by a great fish, Nineveh’s repentance follows from a very logical progression.


    As for Jonah’s aquatic experience (which is the crux of the story), while there is no conclusive historical proof that Jonah was ever swallowed by a fish and lived to tell about it, there is some provocative corroboratory evidence. In the 3rd century B.C., a Babylonian priest/historian named Berosus wrote of a mythical creature named Oannes who, according to Berosus, emerged from the sea to give divine wisdom to men. Scholars generally identify this mysterious fish-man as an avatar of the Babylonian water-god Ea (also known as Enki). The curious thing about Berosus’ account is the name that he used: Oannes.


    Berosus wrote in Greek during the Hellenistic Period. Oannes is just a single letter removed from the Greek name Ioannes. Ioannes happens to be one of the two Greek names used interchangeably throughout the Greek New Testament to represent the Hebrew name Yonah (Jonah), which in turn appears to be a moniker for Yohanan (from which we get the English name John). (See John 1:42; 21:15; and Matthew 16:17.) Conversely, both Ioannes and Ionas (the other Greek word for Jonah used in the New Testament) are used interchangeably to represent the Hebrew name Yohanan in the Greek Septuagint, which is the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament. Compare 2 Kings 25:23 and 1 Chronicles 3:24 in the Septuagint with the same passages from the Hebrew Old Testament.


    As for the missing “I” in Ioannes, according to Professor Trumbull who claims to have confirmed his information with renowned Assyriologist Dr. Herman V. Hilprecht before writing his own article on the subject, “In the Assyrian inscriptions the J of foreign words becomes I, or disappears altogether; hence Joannes, as the Greek representative of Jona, would appear in Assyrian either as Ioannes or as Oannes” (Trumbull, ibid., p. 58).


    Nineveh was Assyrian. What this essentially means is that Berosus wrote of a fish-man named Jonah who emerged from the sea to give divine wisdom to man – a remarkable corroboration of the Hebrew account.


    Berosus claimed to have relied upon official Babylonian sources for his information. Nineveh was conquered by the Babylonians under King Nabopolassar in 612 B.C., more than 300 years before Berosus. It is quite conceivable, though speculative, that record of Jonah’s success in Nineveh was preserved in the writings available to Berosus. If so, it appears that Jonah was deified and mythologized over a period of three centuries, first by the Assyrians, who no doubt associated him with their fish-god Dagon, and then by the Babylonians, who appear to have hybridized him with their own water-god, Ea.


    In addition to Berosus’ account, Jonah appears elsewhere in the chronicles of Israel as the prophet who predicted Jeroboam II’s military successes against Syria in the 8th century before Christ (2 Kings 14:25). He is said to be the son of Amittai (cf. Jonah 1:1) from the town of Gath-hepher in lower Galilee. Flavius Josephus reiterates these details in his Antiquities of the Jews (chapter 10, paragraph 2). Jonah was not an imaginary figure invented to play the part of a disobedient prophet, swallowed by a fish. He was part of Israel’s prophetic history.


    As for the city of Nineveh, it was rediscovered in the 19th century after more than 2,500 years of obscurity. It is now believed to have been the largest city in the world at the time of its demise (see Tertius Chandler's Four Thousand Years of Urban Growth: An Historical Census). According to Sir Austen Henry Layard, who chronicled the rediscovery of Nineveh in his classic Discoveries at Nineveh, the circumference of Greater Nineveh was “exactly three days' journey,” as recorded in Jonah 3:3 (Austen Henry Layard, A Popular Account of Discoveries at Nineveh, J. C. Derby: New York, 1854, p. 314). Prior to its rediscovery, skeptics scoffed at the possibility that so large a city could have existed in the ancient world. In fact, skeptics denied the existence of Nineveh altogether. Its rediscovery in the mid-1800s proved to be a remarkable vindication for the Bible, which mentions Nineveh by name 18 times and dedicates two entire books (Jonah and Nahum) to its fate.


    It is interesting to note where the lost city of Nineveh was rediscovered. It was found buried beneath a pair of tells in the vicinity of Mosul in modern-day Iraq. These mounds are known by their local names, Kuyunjik and Nabi Yunus. Nabi Yunus happens to be Arabic for “the Prophet Jonah.” The lost city of Nineveh was found buried beneath an ancient tell named after the Prophet Jonah.


    As for the whale, the Bible doesn’t actually specify what sort of marine animal swallowed Jonah. Most people assume that it was a cachalot (also known as the sperm whale). It may very well have been a white shark. The Hebrew phrase used in the Old Testament, gadowl dag, literally means “great fish.” The Greek used in the New Testament is këtos which simply means “sea creature.” There are at least two species of Mediterranean marine life that are known to be able to swallow a man whole. These are the cachalot and the white shark. Both creatures are known to prowl the Mediterranean and have been known to Mediterranean sailors since antiquity. Aristotle described both species in his 4th-century B.C. Historia Animalium.


    So we now have three of the four major players: Jonah, Nineveh and the man-eating fish. All that remains is the fourth major player: God. Skeptics scoff at the miracles described in the book of Jonah as if there were no mechanism by which such events could ever occur. That is their bias. We are inclined, however, to believe that there is One who is capable of manipulating natural phenomena in such supernatural ways. We believe that He is the Creator of the natural realm and is not, therefore, circumscribed by it. We call Him “God,” and we believe that He sent Jonah to Nineveh to bring about their repentance.


    God has made Himself known throughout history in many diverse ways, not the least of which was His incarnation in the Person of Jesus Christ. Not only does Jesus give us reason to believe that there exists One who is able to perform miracles, He gives us every confidence that such events have, in fact, occurred.


    Jesus spoke of Jonah’s ordeal as a real historical event. He used it as a typological metaphor for His own crucifixion and resurrection, itself a miraculous event. Matthew quoted Jesus as saying, “For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea creature, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh will stand up with this generation at the judgment, and will condemn it because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, Someone greater than Jonah is here” (Matthew 12:40-41; cf. Luke 11:29-30, 32).


    The evidence is such that any Christian should have confidence to believe and any skeptic should think twice before dismissing Jonah as a fairy tale.


    Recommended Resource: Bible Answers for Almost all Your Questions by Elmer Towns.

    daren1

    Sorry for the long essay but you asked..
    ROMOS

    Just like one of mine daren, nice read!
    LOL
    jhharlan

    I confess, I didn't read all of it....I sort of skimmed....
    daren1

    Don't fell bad JH i didn't read much of it either..
    BiPaulie

    Its fine Darren you are entitled to give essay and what an essay It will take me all through my break to read through it Ive only just finished Looking at Romos version of the Spirit still I did ask for it However in your answer don,t rule out he may have slipped inside a time travelling Submarine.

    Signing out see you in a couple of weeks Bipaulie

    The story of Jonah is a story meant to teach something of the "heroes' quest". Many stories are based on this theme of the reluctant hero! Many studies have been done regarding these as well, most notably by Robert Bly in a work entitled "Iron John : A Book About Men" where Bly reveals the parallels among many myths associated with the "hero" themes with one of the worlds' oldest stories "Iron John"...well worth a study. Then there is the amazing discussion between Joseph Campbell and Bill Moyer documented in the book "The Power of Myth" which too deserves a go through.They discuss these themes of the hero and other archetypes and how this relates to people of contemporary times around the world. The story of Jonah, is a hero story meant  for its' day, to be enjoyed and learned from.

    lindilou

    OK...here I go...3 days in the belly of a whale is a metaphor for "katabasis"...the dark time...a period where a person experiences the lowest lows and questions their own existence and the reasons for it. The stories usually confine this period to 3 days but in reality this period can span years. Way back when, a person "suffering" this katabasis was often assigned to clean the ash pits of the fires...a lowly job for a lowly state of mind!
    ( I can't believe all this stuff is in my head) Peace.

    The bible states he was swallowed by a big fish, whale is assumed............

    BiPaulie

    Look Jhharlan, every one really knows it was a submarine, however its ok to still believe in childrens bed time stories.

    Thax Jhharlan see you in acouple of weeks
    jhharlan

    I didn't know that, never occurred to me, never questioned it...lack of imagination I guess...........

    The species of the animal that swallowed Jonah is immaterial, but how did he survive 3 days without oxygen?

    BiPaulie

    Its difficult to answer that nomdeplume, I still beleive it was a Submarine and not a Whale, he would have died through lack of Oxygen and acid digestion burnes, However one should nor rule out what if the Whale had trapped wind, and integestion, were through the wind trapped inside the Whales stomach, it was enough to Keep him alive for three days. Failing the Sub, or the Trapped wind, Jonas head may have been sticking out of the Whales Blow pipe based at the top of the whales head, and everytime the Whale surfaced poor jonah had to snatch a quick breath of air.
    nomdeplume

    Discounting the submarine theory, Jonah was in the animal's stomach, not in the lungs, so would not have been able to access the blowhole. I wonder if the Lord had provided an angel to administer artificial respiration?

    Why question, it if God could make us I'm sure he could do this as well.

    FISH-O

    He is baiting you and other Christians. It is best not to pick up the rope.
    ... And when he comes back from suspension he will continue to call me all sorts of names because I crossed him.


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