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    " Your thoughts please,on the video of what appears to be a group of (U.S.MARINES) urinating on the corpse's of Taliban soldiers? "

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    I think they are disgusting animals with no respect for their country or uniform. A strong example should be made of them that this should never happen when one represents the United States of America. 

    witchway

    Agreed. ALL Americans should be digusted with thier behavior.
    Dollybird

    One can never compare these men to animals, (they are not good enough.!) What a disgrace to America,! In future other Marines lives are in danger, even more so.

    And they called themselves "Marines"?

    When they do stupid acts like this , they better not get caught. Who took the film and how much money was involved in purchasing the film ? If i filmed that and showed it, my life would be in danger from other marines. The one that filmed it better run for his/her life.


     

    I find that very disgusting. It will only cause more anti-american sentiment  throughout the world.

    The stupidity of letting someone take a picture of this is unbelievable. Personally, I think they should have taken a dump down their throat. These people were trying to kill Marines, Duh. Doesn't anyone remember the beheading's of innocent Americans on video?

    Colleen

    Moderator
    We still need to show a moral difference between us and them, otherwise we simply become them. These people were trying to kill marines because marines were in their country. I'm not standing up for the Afghanistan military in any way shape of form but these marines should know better and know that the world itself will view the US through their actions. This kind of behavior can only perpetuate hatred and violence towards Americans.
    ed shank

    Your compassion for these people is misguided. They hated us long before, along with most of the world any boots hit their sand. I don't care if they hate us. Regardless of whether we were there or not they would have continued their reign of terror on us. As far as you justifying them killing our hero's because we were THERE is no defense. I haven't tried to kill an Afghan in MY country. The stupidity of the picture is what gets me.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Reread what I said. I am not supporting them but we are all created by God. I see them as souls, misguided or not, they are still God's creation and and have been raised to think differently from us through their cultural ways and their religion. We are and have been at war with them. We are in their country. If they invaded the US, we would kill them. I bet you would be first in line for the task. I still expect better from my military. We are not animals.
    ed shank

    I concur we are not animals, we civilians can not for one second relate to what our hero's have had to endure. Let me say this Colleen, If you and I were serving time in "sand land" and I witnessed your body being blown in a million pieces, They would die drowning on my urine.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    If I were fighting in their land, I would already have understood that I could be killed. I would accept that. I would not take your urinating on them as a compliment to my life Ed as I do not agree with the act. I would have to view that as you being no better than them. Sorry, that's just how I feel. In spite of it all, they are people too and creations of God.
    ed shank

    Lets pray this doesn't ever (war) happen again.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Let's be happy that the degrading act of these so called Marines did not cause the Afghans to strike back hard at the US or deter them from the peace talks we are trying to have with them. This act could have added years to this war and thousands of more lives lost. I hate to see the Taliban's answer to this though as I think some of them will want to get even. I hope no other military personal will have to bear the brunt of what these fools did.
    Darci13

    Ed are you saying that we should take ourselves even beneath the level of these animals????? These are not what I would want representing Americans nor Marines nor do I think they have done nothing but incite more of what was bad into now what will turn into something even more horrific. Yes I think the so called "Marines" that did this should be taken out and hanged and thereby taken out of society as they are worse than what we are fighting over there.
    ed shank

    @Darci13. I am not condoning the act, I do understand the hatred that makes a soldier behave in such a way. It has happened through out history in every war ever fought. Should they have done it? Probably not. Then again I haven't seen my buddies bodies blown to hell.

    Although I might not be politically correct, I don't think I could find it to criticize the marines involved, except for the stupidity of allowing it to be videotaped. To be fair, I'd have to ask myself how I'd feel after seeing how and what the Taliban is responsible for in doing to our troops. I don't know how I'd feel after seeing someone I knew blown in half, limbs blown off, or a friend dying in my arms. I don't know how I'd feel after carrying the body bag of someone's father, mother, son, daughter, sister, brother, to be brought home to a brokenhearted family. How do you respond to someone who just moments before had been trying to fill a body bag with yourself? How do you feel after listening to the stories of families of people who were killed on 9/11.?


    If the situation was turned around, I wonder how much respect they'd show our dead? Although another time, place, and country...it seems I remember the naked bodies of U.S. Troops being dragged down the streets in Somalia . Maybe it was wrong in what the marines did, but in my heart, I decline judging someone who we've asked to go out there and be subjected to what they are. In all honesty, my sentiment more coincides with that of Ed Shank's.


     

    Colleen

    Moderator
    They are still marines. Touted to be the best of the best. I personally expect better from them.

    "If the situation was turned around, I wonder how much respect they'd show our dead?"

    The US military are not them. They are better than them. They should not sink to their animalistic levels. As a member of the UN, the US trains it's troops to follow the rules of human rights. I'm pretty sure this should even include the rights of the dead Taliban.
    mom

    Thats exactly what I was thinking Shootah...it isn't our place to judge what people do when placed under constant threat and stress of being in a situation that you know you could be killed any moment and see things we could never imagine while we sit in our comfy homes passing judgement. Not saying it was right but your right on in your thoughts.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    It's their job to be under all that stress and to see what they see. They go into this job with their eyes wide open and the rules of war in their pocket as every military personal gets the handbook. They broke a rule of war they agreed to respect when they put that uniform on.
    FISH-O

    My husband was in the Canadian Airforce. I know that there is no way, no matter what situation he was in would he ever do anything like these marines did.
    He also knew what he was getting into when he signed up.
    mom

    Again I repeat, your husbands mentality is different than those men.Maybe this was the sign of a breaking point or weakness,maybe they were angry men with a weak mental state before they even went there.I met a man years ago that was no longer right in the mind after what he went through in the war he was fighting.He was actually very scary to even be around from the post stress because he wasn't strong enough to have had been there.I am not defending them in any way here, just not judging that's all.
    FISH-O

    The Rules of War have been written ... The United States of America signed off and so these Marines are hooped... breaking point or not.
    I am not without empathy... but urinating on the dead? What the heck is that? What can a dead man do to you now?
    Colleen

    Moderator
    A US Marine's mental capabilities in times of stress are thoroughly tested before he is allowed to wear the uniform. A US Marine is not permitted to have a breaking point. They understand and accept this when they join up to be a Marine. A breaking point for them is no defense for them. One of the men in the video is a Lance Corporal, an officer. He is expected to be even greater than the men under him. There was 4 in the video plus the one holding the camera and maybe even more that we did not see. There were 3 dead Taliban. The whole lot of them had a breaking point at the same time? Not one tried to stop the desecration of the bodies? No. I do not accept that all broke at the same time. These "men" should never have called themselves Marines.
    tabber

    Shootah A man. Thank you for that perspective! i think what we tend to do it get excited when a clip is put on tv. i feel mainly to manipulate us into feeling a certain way. we have to figure out a way to look past manipulation and see more whole truths. FCC commissioner, Michael Copps, was just on Democracy Now talking about the evils of media consolidation and how we don't get the truth half the time and we have to pay attention to what's going on with broad band so the internet and wireless will stay free and open to all and not have 'gate keepers' like tv does which makes it easier to manipulate us all. that show can be viewed on the internet. all democracy now shows can. thanks.

    I'd of have had to walk in their shoes I guess..........I don't like the looks of it but...........It is disgraceful for America.................

    This is not the conduct of a Marine. Respect is a core value of the Marine Corps. It shows no concern for their fellow Marines. And is a dispicable act by any humane being.

     Article 17.Parties to the conflict shall ensure that burial or cremation of the dead, carried out individually as far as circumstances permit, is preceded by a careful examination, if possible by a medical examination, of the bodies, with a view to confirming death, establishing identity and enabling a report to be made. One half of the double identity disc, or the identity disc itself if it is a single disc, should remain on the body.Bodies shall not be cremated except for imperative reasons of hygiene or for motives based on the religion of the deceased.


    In case of cremation, the circumstances and reasons for cremation shall be stated in detail in the death certificate or on the authenticated list of the dead.


    They shall further ensure that the dead are honourably interred, if possible according to the rites of the religion to which they belonged, that their graves are respected, grouped if possible according to the nationality of the deceased, properly maintained and marked so that they may always be found. For this purpose, they shall organize at the commencement of hostilities an Official Graves Registration Service, to allow subsequent exhumations and to ensure the identification of bodies, whatever the site of the graves, and the possible transportation to the home country. These provisions shall likewise apply to the ashes, which shall be kept by the Graves Registration Service until proper disposal thereof in accordance with the wishes of the home country.


    As soon as circumstances permit, and at latest at the end of hostilities, these Services shall exchange, through the Information Bureau mentioned in the second paragraph of Article 16, lists showing the exact location and markings of the graves, together with particulars of the dead interred therein

    Colleen

    Moderator
    I see nothing in there that says they should be urinated on.

    http://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_rul_rule113


    It is pretty clear ... rule #113


    This is a serious offence.

    Colleen

    Moderator
    International armed conflicts
    The obligation to take all possible measures to prevent the dead from being despoiled (or pillaged) was first codified in the 1907 Hague Convention (X).[1] It is now also codified in the Geneva Conventions.[2] It is also contained in Additional Protocol I,[3] albeit in more general terms of “respecting” the dead, which includes the notion of preventing the remains from being despoiled.[4]

    They have no defense for their actions according to this (as they shouldn't anyway).

    And here is the desecration of America. This woman, through her words has urinated on my country....


    Pamela Geller, who was at the forefront of the campaign against an Islamic centre near ground zero and has been embraced by some mainstream Republicans including Newt Gingrich, praised the soldiers for desecrating the Afghan corpses who she called "murderous savages".


    "I love these marines. Perhaps this is the infidel interpretation of the Islamic ritual of washing and preparing the body for burial," she wrote on her blog, Atlas Shrugs. 


    Some Americans will find this funny. I find it offensive to Americans as we are or should be better than this. She has jumped into the pit with the "murderous savages" as she calls them and urinated on American morals.  


     

    clu

    I agree with Colleen 100%
    facebook

    The rule of thumb! is two wrong don't make it alright!! I'm totally disappointed in these Marine in there conduct,not very professional.

    I too was out raged for about a minute, granted as us marines should have a higher moral standard, but their just humans like the rest of us, but how about all the obscene ,degenerate  acts we don't see against our troops..

    Colleen

    Moderator
    How about the rules of the Geneva convention that sets the rules of war and conflict internationally and rules that all US military agrees to abide by? What they do is what they do (meaning the enemy). We should never mimic immoral behavior of the enemy otherwise we are no better than the enemy that you've complained about.

    I had twenty of my friends and workmates killed in one fell swoop when an Exocet missile hit our ship in May 1982 during the Falkland War, I felt extreme anger then as I do now at the folly of war,but we were doing our duty, it was our job to be aggressive in war, as was the "enemies", I wouldn,t , or couldn,t even contemplate doing what these sorry excuses of Americas finest did to those bodies,dead humans can,t get up and piss back in their faces,PITY!

    The problem I see (and the video I haven't) is that staging scenarios is just too easy nowadays. This could be a completely scripted video.

    pioneer2

    I'm with you Bobette. I suggest we not be to hasty with our criticism
    Colleen

    Moderator
    It has been verified as authentic and that it really happened.
    No indication Marine urination video fake: Pentagon http://news.yahoo.com/no-indication-marine-urination-video-fake-pentagon-151232752.html
    Bob/PKB

    Sorry to say I am skeptical of verification as well. The human world is overflowing with deception.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    The Pentagon would have no good reason or agenda to say it's authentic if it were not.
    Bob/PKB

    Maybe. Maybe not. I probably won't budge on this, but it's just my opinion.

    War is hell not a freakin tea party thats why its called war.  

    Colleen

    Moderator
    No, according to these losers it's called a "golden shower" as one of them said in the video. They are NOT marines. They are perverse men. This was desecration of bodies and against all human morals. I will not support or give excuse for their actions. I can not see how anyone with a moral conscience can.
    dowsa

    good answer Colleen .They are sick little brats not men.

    Let us not judge as no one has any idea the things we are capable of doing until in a position like that.We have no right to point and say what is right and wrong. I don't think it was great what they did, it was a very poor choice but while we sit at home in peace in our warm , safe , comfortable homes, we don't have to experience the daily hell these men have been placed under nor can we ever imagine the monstrocities they see every day.

    FISH-O

    What about the Geneva Convention and the Rules of War? The dead can't exactly get back up and defend themselves.
    No matter what the situation was prior to this act these men are Marines... the Marines are elite ... the best of the best. They do know what they are getting into and how horrible the situations can become. Marines are up to the challenge. A marine wants to be a marine.
    mom

    I understand what your saying, it's just none of us are there seeing the things they see on a daily basis. Who knows what it can do to the mind and how it would drive certain individuals.Again I'm not standing up for what they did, I just don't know what drove them to do something like that.
    FISH-O

    The marine is the gentleman of the United States fighting force.
    This has to be embarrassing for every Marine out there.
    mom

    I won't argue...your not seeing that in my answer I don't think what went on was right...I agree with you, it's just not my judgement call.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    They go through intense training to rise above what they may see in war. What they did by this act was to say, they could not handle being a Marine and living up to the high standards expected of a US marine. They rang the bell.
    mom

    I think I've opened up that can of worms with my answer here. I meant no offence I just don't think that unless anyone is in the exact position it is our right to judge and hate these men for their ignorance. Not every man is capable of handelling things the way the world would expect...breaking points and bad decisions are dealt with by each person individually.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    They broke a rule of war that they agreed to respect when they put that uniform on. I do not hate them but I find their act to be one of cowardice. They had already killed them. That was enough. They have already been judged by the code of conduct they broke and the rules of war they agreed to respect. There is no defense. They should have rung the bell sooner if they could not handle their job and the rules that come along with the job.

    I got your back Marines Semper Fi

    Jenn

    Where you a Marine???? If so you should know the high standars they are held to. This is NOT in anyway indicative of the Men and woman of the Marine Corps.

    I think they want another tour over there- they must because Peace talks are going to be even tougher now. Idiots!!! Daw gone it that's the second political comment in 2 days-lol

    They were only preparing them for burial by giving a high class SHOWER(GOLDEN)!!!   Besides, I'm with Ed Shank(TU'S) on this topic, look what they(Taliban) does to others including children, if they(Taliban) can giveth, than they can receiveth!!!!

    Colleen

    Moderator
    "They were only preparing them for burial by giving a high class SHOWER"

    I see you are siding with Pamela Geller's blog post. She is an offense to America in my opinion by giving that sentiment.

    "Look what the Taliban does"

    We see, I see but we fight them with honor. We do not lower ourselves to their low level of existence. We do not degrade ourselves in order to degrade them.
    dad59

    Not to be arrogant, but one must do the walk, in order to do the talk. If someone killed your "Dad, Mom, Child would you think they should be treated with indifference or with respect???
    Colleen

    Moderator
    I would never expect anyone to urinate on the body of anyone who killed a loved one of mine. That act in itself would disrespect the life of the one I loved. All men are Souls created by God, through that we must respect all Souls to some degree. The Afghanistan have their own culture and beliefs right or wrong. To degrade bodies by urinating on them makes those who commit the act no better than the ones they claim to hate. It's cowardice when a body can not fight back.

    Should the police now start urinating on a murderer because he killed someone's loved one? Won't we look like a classy nation then? This is not the route I want my country to take. I will not glorify these men who are not what Marines should be.
    FISH-O

    I certainly hope this "Golden Shower" preparing a person for burial does not catch on. I for one do not want to be peed on after I die... I don't want it to be video taped and I truly don't want it to become something that is seen by the masses.
    Count me out of that custom.
    dad59

    Once again, once one has endured what has been endured by our soldiers and our comrades abroad, thus wearing/being in their shoes an can then say, "I've been there as others and can't respect, what has been done, it's irreverent and meets, unbecoming of a soldier", GOD also understands, as "EYE FOR AN EYE", "Turn the other cheek".
    Colleen

    Moderator
    I wonder if God will also understand the eye for an eye if the Taliban decide to get even for this desecration of their fallen soldier's bodies. Should we turn the other cheek if we do?
    dad59

    The Taliban don't worry about excuses, just like AlQaeda, they just do it for fun and because they think they scare somebody. Has it stopped them from killing before, "NO", so "do unto others before they do unto you". These soldiers was kinder than most of US would've been.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Has our years of being at war with them done anything to change them? To make them stop? Does pissing on their fallen soldiers change them or make them stop? We can not control the world. The US needs to get out, mind it's own business and concentrate on it's people, not bully other countries and desecrate their dead sons. What they did was wrong. It is indefensible and they will be court martialed and go to prison. I agree with that end result and I thank all the men and women of our military who fought honorably and with valor. These thugs are not part of them. They are not Marines or Americans with admirable morals. They do not deserve to wear the uniform.

    Please do not presume to speak for most of the US. Most of the US according to the media are appalled and disgusted by the actions of these childish men.

    Or do you mean US as in 'we'? Even then I don't think there's a lot of "we's" as the Marines are ticked off at them too. Go read some of the comments under the videos.
    dad59

    People don't always mean what they say, especially, when being recorded, an investigation is amongst the family(military), political reason's, etc.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    "People don't always mean what they say, especially, when being recorded"

    Are you serious???? This is your defense of them?? They didn't mean it????? They were just showing off for the camera??

    This has been investigated. They broke the rule of the Geneva Convention and the moral conduct code of the US Marines. They are going to prison. GOOD!

    From the Halls of Montezuma,
    To the shores of Tripoli;
    We fight our country's battles
    In the air, on land, and sea;
    First to fight for right and freedom

    >>>> And to keep our honor clean <<<<

    We are proud to claim the title
    Of United States Marine.

    >snip<

    In many a strife we've fought for life
    And never lost our nerve;............

    [These cowards sure lost their nerve by urinating on the bodies of men who could no longer fight back. A US Marine is better than that. He does not lose his cool, he does not lose his nerve and he HONORS his country and uniform by keeping strict to his pledge to follow the rules of engagement and war and never deviate from said rules or risk shaming himself and his country. I believe you said you are an ex Marine. You should know this better than I. You are defending men who have no honor or morals. What type of Marine do you consider you were? Would you have pissed on the body of a dead man?

    dad59

    My previous comment about "not always saying", was in reference to those you stated was "Appalled/commented" of the video, not those charged and no, I wouldn't of p*ssed on them, probably worst.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    This is why mankind is still where it is. No one wants war but no one wants to let go of the anger and the "I would have done worse" attitude either. People are living in an illusionary world when they talk of peace. There will always be the angry ones and the ones filled with hate that will never allow peace. You should have done worse when you could dad, maybe you would have been over it today.

    1907... that's one pretty old rule of war. 

    Fish Fry thank you for that information regarding the rules of war and 'an illegal act.'  I did not know that.  However, I believe the perspecdtive that i was addressing was from the standpoint of what war does to people in general. war and being against people for whatever reason, creates a very ugly philosophy about 'others'.   Ugly philosophies creates ugly actions against others.  i think since we have 'rules of war', and that's good.  It means dropping drons and bombs on people is ok since it under the 'rules'.  it's not in any way ok.  i don't care what the rules are.  most of us are christians and good people.  some things simply should not be done.  there use to be a rule that you could own a slave in america.  now many americans are horrified about the thought of owning another person to do your dirty work.  we came to see that was a bad rule.  i will agree we do need rules for war, and i am happy we have at least that.  however, what we do under the 'rules' if far worst than some of the atroscities we do in wars that, do not fall of the 'rules of war'.  i don't feel the young men that do all these ugly acts in war need mental health. maybe they do. maybe they don't. that is not my point and should not be society's focus.  i feel societies in general need to grow up!  Stop trying to take over the world.  And for pete's sake stop using war of a way to solve problems.  its ignorant and hopefully we will get past it before we blow ourselves up.  on tv the other day.  i believe the automic energy commission said we are going backwards, and moving back into the direction of a nuclear war occuring.  The candidate ron paul for president always talks about "no war".  That's where we all need to get to.  I don't really believe that Ron really wants to be president, but i love the man. I think he wants people to wake friggin up!  everybody's in an outrage of these service men.  people, need to be, in an outrage over war and stop it.  some of these young kids never got to kiss and girl or a boy because a bomb dropped on there house.  there are so many things we could do and encourage no war. have sports competitions with other countries to fight out differences.  have kids & gifted children think up things and writes essays on how to solve the world's problem.  make nintendo games about solving problems rather than attacking and killing each other.  i do beleive we are moving in a good direction.  people are starting to come around since the housing collapse in america.  a commentator on tv said these marchers will be viewed as heroes in the future for starting to help shake and wake us all up regarding war the environment and things that are important for the continuance of a good world.

    Colleen

    Moderator
    " i don't care what the rules are. most of us are christians and good people. "

    You do not care that they degraded dead bodies? I presume however that you might be one of the first in line to be offended if it were Taliban soldiers urinating on the bodies of dead Americans. I bet you would agree with the rules of proper respect for the body of the enemy then.

    How will you feel if you find out that the men who did this are all "good Christians"? Do "good Christians" urinate on dead bodies?

    " i feel societies in general need to grow up! Stop trying to take over the world."

    This will never happen as long as there are people who say, I hate them and would pi$$ on their bodies too if I could, as has been suggested right here in this thread. I was told that my compassion for these people was misguided because I believe that they are human too, just doing what they've been raised to believe and fight for and should still be given humane respect after death. How can peace happen when there's a mind set like that? I'm suppose to hate them and feel no compassion. Peace is a pipe dream. It will never happen as long as there are minds that fight against it.

    panda i am so happy you asked this question,  it has been on my mind. what do you expect. when you train young men to kill kill kill.  what do you expect.  we need to stop all of these wars.  people have to become a cold savage to kill others.  i have spoken with men who have gone to war.  it makes them crazy, guilty, alcoholic, abusive and all the other negative things such acts would bring out in a human.  the boys should get some counseling. however the boys are merely a scapegoat for our collective obsessions of greed, lying, evil actions.  as michael jackson said,  "look at the man in the mirror and change!"   

    FISH-O

    My husband was in the Canadian Airforce... you do not go into the world's arena without completely understanding the rules of war.
    I agree there should be more support for the mental health of the men who sign up ... America is a country that does not force it's young men to serve in the military.
    This act was a collective act. It is an illegal act.


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