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    what data is there for the creationists' theory and who created god?

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    Darci13

    I agree completely and wholly with bestway.....

    Grit Savage

    absolutely everything has a beginning mate!

    bestway

    God is not a creature. He was not created. He is the Alpha and Omega
    The beginning and the end of all things.
    The mighty spirit who became Jesus is his only begotten son and first born. That means his only direct creation of God.

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    HOPE SEEN IS NOT TRUE HOPE

    Faith is the substance of things hoped for in evidence not seen, it takes faith to believe in many things that people believe in. Does your significant other love you? Will your car take you where you want to go, safely? I am not saying that there is no evidence on the relativity of the bible or the love your partner, or evolution, but in all these cases you must have faith or belief.

    bestway

    Hebrews 11:1-40) Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld. 2 For by means of this the men of old times had witness borne to them. 3 By faith we perceive that the systems of things were put in order by God’s word, so that what is beheld has come to be out of things that do not appear.


    Is this a better way to put it?

    bestway

    Read the rest of the chapter

    leeroy

    <a href="/users/3649/bestway/">@bestway</a>, thank you!!! Sometimes I feel that If I throw a Bible verse at people, they just won't read it. So on occasion I will soften it up a little to maybe not have a stigma on the answer, even before someone reads it. You know, other times I feel lead to go full out Bible verses.

    Proverbs 8
    “Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23 From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth. 24 When there were no watery deeps I was brought forth as with labor pains, when there were no springs heavily charged with water. 25 Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains, 26 when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land. 27 When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep, 28 when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong, 29 when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth, 30 then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, 31 being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men.


    This is the mighty spirit called the word who directed Gods angels before coming to earth as a man to ransom OBEDIENT mankind from Sin and Death

    Hebrews 1:1-14) God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, 2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. 3 He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places. 4 So he has become better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs. 5 For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: “You are my son; I, today, I have become your father”? And again: “I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son”? 6 But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.” 7 Also, with reference to the angels he says: “And he makes his angels spirits, and his public servants a flame of fire.


    Read it in your own Bible!


    I am also a scientist and a very well traveled Marine Engineer. Evolution is a man made fairy story just like Santa Claus and Alice in wonderland. Charles Darwin is long dead as is his theory. Jesus the one called Christ is very much alive.

    ...I don't know, but it amazes me how monkeys have not phaseout after billions of years of "evolving". I guess something happened during the process that the humans evolved but another "new" breed of monkeys kept being monkeys but never evolve to nothing other than monkeys! And what's funny is that we humans are in danger of instinction. Boy that makes us more dummer than monkeys!...Evo·lu·tion-
    –noun
    1. any process of formation or growth; development:

    2. a product of such development; something evolved:

    3. Biology . change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift.
    4. a process of gradual, peaceful, progressive change or development, as in social or economic structure or institutions.
    5. a motion incomplete in itself, but combining with coordinated motions to produce a single action, as in a machine.
    6. a pattern formed by or as if by a series of movements: the evolutions of a figure skater.
    7. an evolving or giving off of gas, heat, etc.
    8. Mathematics . the extraction of a root from a quantity. Compare involution ( def. 8 ) .
    9. a movement or one of a series of movements of troops, ships, etc., as for disposition in order of battle or in line on parade.
    ..To me it sounds as if evolution alludes to "growth for the better" Now, you know that with all the scientific findings and developements Man has only made it worst! Now, that's contrary to what the word in essence alludes1

    Evolution is a theory full of gaps and constantly changing, most scientists are now supporting a new and better theory called, "Intelligent Design." This basically states that the balance of nature is so delicate it had to be designed and not random chance over millions of years. They are also leaning towards, human life on Earth being seeded by aliens. So the thing is, to believe in evolution is a secular religion,"Humanism." If you go the route of Intelligent design, like most of the scientific community, that takes faith as well, its like saying someone seeded us here, but were just not going to say God.


    There is tons of information available on how authentic and accurate the christian bible is. You just have a bias opinion towards what ever your belief system is. Whether you religion is secular humanism, christian, satanic, agnostic, atheist, it's all the same, you need faith in your beliefs.


    No one here has an unbiased opinion, it's not scientifically possible. No matter your view it comes from your background in what ever belief system you put your faith in. All of your life experiences come from your belief or faith, and that effects how you view what happens and why.

    cogito ergo sum

    leeroy- are you as ignorant as your answer. where is your proof that most scientists believe in intelligent design. as a scientist myself, i have come across hundreds of scientists in my lifetime and at least 95% of them believe in evolution.

    leeroy

    cogito you are a rude idiot, where is your proof? I am a scientist as well. There's one for your poll, most of my co-workers share this same view, add about 2,000 to my one. By the way, we are the leaders in our field, maybe the rest of you down there in the lower levels will catch up, eventually? Which science do you practice, intolerance? You're probably a 14 year old kid who thinks he's smart.

    YEP I had a uncle that was born.About 4 billion years ago.He just passed on last week.

    friendindeed

    Was you uncle an ape..I dont think so lol

    We believe with faith.

    Lupe

    It usually consists of list of ideas. They may be fact or fiction---however you want the idea to "prove".

    cogito ergo sum

    lupe-do you know the definition of data?

    The 'creationist theory' is not based on data, so if anyone were to prove that the universe was created then presenting data would make it a complete farce. The very question insults your own intelligence. Having said that, i don't believe one being created the universe, and certainly not the biblical God. But there is some data to help guide and understand the complexity and simplicity of the universe with shapes and frequencies. Do a quick google search of the flower of life, and see this blue print that was kept hidden from the masses for centuries because it holds the keys to spiritual and universal knowledge, and divine energy.

    Creation is an imaginary force, which is why it is never visible in it's beginning stages. The most important things in life you can not see. Throw time in to the equation, and what you get is the evolution of creation. There are conflicting dimensions.. view it spiritually or scientifically makes no difference but spiritually you evolve quicker. All things must pass through the mind, relying only on your eyes blinds you.. relying only on your ears deafens you.. relying only on your mind plagues you.. relying only on your soul illuminates you.. but relying on all at once enlightens you.

    Mindblade16

    Is that anything like higher dimensional theory, where you can see all aspects of all dimensions of a person at the same time? That's like trying to explain to a 2d person who only sees a changing circle, that a sphere exists.

    anonymous_sender

    Yes quite true. There are ten thousand faces for every one spiritual truth. But spiritual truth is the source.. the closer you get, the blurrier it becomes, yet the more you understand it, and the more humbled you become by it. From a distance everything has a name.

    anonymous_sender

    evolution and creation are one and the same. All designs are evolved from an idea. All beings evolve spiritually, and are souls are evolving as we learn from our mistakes. The assistance in putting the pieces together is found in the 'flower of life'; which, if you google it, you'll find some interesting historical/scientific/spiritual knowledge that assists in explaining the truth about the universe. The truth is already there to be seen by anyone, but not all are ready.

    bestway

    Evolution and creation are incompatible subjects.
    The universe does not exist by accident but by intensely complex design. The creator has left you a jigsaw puzzle. You will need help to put it together.

    There is no actual evidence but what it says in the bible.You can't debate these things with believers,I've tried time n time again.You have to realise to truly believe in god,christianity,creationism requires a leap of faith.Belief in something you cannot prove so you can't use logic and reason,they don't require or feel any need to present any actual solid evidence to back up what they say.god's will and endless quotes from the bible counter geology,biology,archeology,paleantology,genetics,evolution and hundreds of years of scientific discoveries,theories and fact that build up conclusively proving the earth is 4 billion+ years old and not 6000.Whatever you bring to support the scientific view isnt going to impress someone who's belief system and outlook is based on a leap of faith,its pointless trying.We should simply agree to disagree

    bestway

    To be able to put faith in the bible you need accurate knowledge. The idea that the earth was created in six literal days is not supported either by the bible or by true science. The evidence of the bibles historicity can be found all over the middle east. Faith is based on knowledge, not credulity. You need to find a mature mentor.



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