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daren1
denying ones self of earthly pleasures and enter into the spiritual nature of gods plan
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| 12 years ago. Rating: 1 | |
I wish I could express myself better. What is the spiritual natrue of God's plan?
Do you think the history of the Jewish baptism would have any thing to do with what Jesus meant when he said we needed to be born of WATER?
Daren, I would like to see the subject of salvation as you see it so we could have a better discussion. Obviously I can not know what is in your mind but let me see how close I can get. I’m guessing that you were raised by godly parents and maybe grandparents who believed they were saved at the point of faith. Surely you go to a church that believes in faith only for salvation and your great preacher makes this point clear very frequently. You are well acquainted with passages such as John 3:16 and Ephesians 2:8, 9 which sounds like salvation is by faith only. I think you feel that to consider any other position would be equal to turning your back on God. You feel that the weight of evidence is for salvation by faith only even though you fill inadequate in answering such questions as, why does Acts 2:38 say be baptized for the remission (taking away) of sins. Or 1 Pet 3:21 Baptism saves, or Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved. Perhaps I have not guessed correctly. I am anxiously awaiting your reply.
EMPHASIS ON BAPTISM
Mk 1:5 In Jerusalem all were baptized
Acts 16:15 Lydia & household were baptized
Mt 3:5, 6 All Judea, all region around Jordan were baptized
Acts 16:33 Jailer & all his family were baptized
Lk 3:7 Multitudes came to be baptized
Acts 18:8 City of Corinth was baptized
Jn 4:1 Jesus baptized more than John
Acts 19:5 Ephesians were baptized
Acts 2:41, 3000 baptized
Rom 6:3, 4 Romans were baptized
Acts 8:12 City of Samaria baptized
I Cor. 1:14, 16 Chrispus, Gaius, household Stephanas
Acts 8:13 Simon was baptized
Gal. 3:27 Province of Galatia was baptized
Acts 8:38 Ethiopians were baptized
Col 2:12 City of Colossi was baptized
Acts 9:18 Saul was baptized
I Pet. 3:21 cf. 1:1 Provinces of Galatia, Cappadocia, and Asia were baptized
Acts 10:24, 48 Cornelius, kinsmen, friends
was baptized.
Probably 50,000 baptisms mentioned or alluded to.
Baptism is mentioned one time for every 3 chapters in NT.
Mk 1:5 In Jerusalem all were baptized
Acts 16:15 Lydia & household were baptized
Mt 3:5, 6 All Judea, all region around Jordan were baptized
Acts 16:33 Jailer & all his family were baptized
Lk 3:7 Multitudes came to be baptized
Acts 18:8 City of Corinth was baptized
Jn 4:1 Jesus baptized more than John
Acts 19:5 Ephesians were baptized
Acts 2:41, 3000 baptized
Rom 6:3, 4 Romans were baptized
Acts 8:12 City of Samaria baptized
I Cor. 1:14, 16 Chrispus, Gaius, household Stephanas
Acts 8:13 Simon was baptized
Gal. 3:27 Province of Galatia was baptized
Acts 8:38 Ethiopians were baptized
Col 2:12 City of Colossi was baptized
Acts 9:18 Saul was baptized
I Pet. 3:21 cf. 1:1 Provinces of Galatia, Cappadocia, and Asia were baptized
Acts 10:24, 48 Cornelius, kinsmen, friends
was baptized.
Probably 50,000 baptisms mentioned or alluded to.
Baptism is mentioned one time for every 3 chapters in NT.
itsmee
i'm not sure ... i see you have a lot of answers. unfortunately, i'm rushing off ... my friend had her baby in a child's wading pool. yes, really. she had a doula, of course and it was all planned. her baby was ... "of water"
norm1
| 12 years ago. Rating: 1 | |
Great analogy! As we come up out of the water in our mother’s womb, a new born sinner comes up from the water of baptism. No, the water doesn’t produce the new born baby and the baptism does not produce the new Christian, but the new born baby would not be born alive if there was no water. A Christian would not be born again if there was no water.
FreedomFighter
norm1
My story: I was raised in the Methodist church. In my teenage years I met a young man and I decided to convert him. I quickly found out that though he was only about 15 at the time he knew more Bible than most adults. I told him what I believed and he politely said, “It really doesn’t matter what you believe it’s what the Bible says that is important.” Then he would quote a scripture that dealt with the subject. I responded, “But my church teaches…” And again he politely said, “It really doesn’t matter what your church teaches it’s what the Bible says that is important.” Then he would quote another Scripture that dealt with the subject. In my desperation I went to the preacher and he told me what the Methodist Church doctrine says. I told this to my young friend and politely replied, “It really doesn’t matter what the Methodist doctrine says, it’s what the Bible says that is important” and he quoted another Bible passage that dealt with the subject. We continued this discussion for two years. Finally, like the prodigal son, I came to myself. I said, “Mom always taught me that the Bible is God’s word and that we should do what it says. Now I find myself defending the Methodist doctrine and constantly try to explain away what the Bible clearly teaches. When I was 18 I accepted the Bible as the last word on every matter. I am almost 72 and I have never regretted that decision. It gave me solid ground to stand on. It cost me to leave the Methodist Church. My father had passed away and I was lonely but Mom decided that I had disappointed her so badly that she left me in Pennsylvania and moved to Florida for a while. My closest sister threw the Bible at me and said I had gone to the devil. None of my “Christian” family has ever wanted to carry on a conversation on the Bible with me since. I love my family and I ache inside that the thing I hold most precious has divided us. I hold to the principle: Speak where the Bible speaks and be silent where the Bible is silent. Let the Bible interpret the Bible by comparing Bible passages with Bible passages.
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Nicodemus would have understood “born of water” to mean baptism because of the Jewish practice of baptism. John 3:5
(William Barclay p. 115) “Now this was not an idea which was in the least strange to the people who heard it in New Testament times. The Jew knew all about REBIRTH. When a proselyte came into Judaism, when a man from another faith became a Jew, when he had been accepted into Judaism, by prayer and sacrifice and BAPTISM he was regarded as being REBORN. “A proselyte who embraces Judaism,” said the rabbis, “is like a new - born child.” So radical was the change that the SINS he had committed before his reception were ALL DONE AWAY WITH, for now he was a different person. ...The GREEKS KNEW the idea of REBIRTH and knew it well.”
(Pulpit Commentary pp. 112, 115) “...it may be PROVEN that the rabbis regarded proselytes as a “NEW BIRTH,” and one produced or BROUGHT ABOUT BY circumcision and BAPTISM.”
(Adam Clarke p. 531) “Of water and the Spirit. To the BAPTISM OF WATER a man was admitted when he became a proselyte to the Jewish religion; and, in this BAPTISM, he promised in the most solemn manner to renounce idolatry, to take the god of Israel for his God, and to have his life conformed to the precepts of the Divine law.”
(William Barclay p. 115) “Now this was not an idea which was in the least strange to the people who heard it in New Testament times. The Jew knew all about REBIRTH. When a proselyte came into Judaism, when a man from another faith became a Jew, when he had been accepted into Judaism, by prayer and sacrifice and BAPTISM he was regarded as being REBORN. “A proselyte who embraces Judaism,” said the rabbis, “is like a new - born child.” So radical was the change that the SINS he had committed before his reception were ALL DONE AWAY WITH, for now he was a different person. ...The GREEKS KNEW the idea of REBIRTH and knew it well.”
(Pulpit Commentary pp. 112, 115) “...it may be PROVEN that the rabbis regarded proselytes as a “NEW BIRTH,” and one produced or BROUGHT ABOUT BY circumcision and BAPTISM.”
(Adam Clarke p. 531) “Of water and the Spirit. To the BAPTISM OF WATER a man was admitted when he became a proselyte to the Jewish religion; and, in this BAPTISM, he promised in the most solemn manner to renounce idolatry, to take the god of Israel for his God, and to have his life conformed to the precepts of the Divine law.”
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