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    Have you heard about this? 8 year old not dressing girly enough, kicked out of school.

    Seems Timberlake Christian School has passed judgement on her. She has short hair, wears jeans and t-shirts and likes sports. So, instead of just assuming she's a tomboy and will probably grow out of it come dating age, they go straight to, homosexual behavior or gender confusion and how it's not tolerated in their school. 


    The letter read in part that fellow students who do not know Sunnie well are confused about whether she is male or female, and suggests that administrators can refuse enrollment for condoning sexual immorality, practicing a homosexual lifestyle or alternative gender identity.


    SERIOUSLY? SHE'S 8! GET REAL PEOPLE!


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    Read the full letter here


     


    Source: http://progressivepopulist.org/2014/03/25/christian-school-kicks-8-year-old-girl-girly-enough-video/ 


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    +2  Views: 1995 Answers: 8 Posted: 7 years ago
    Colleen

    Moderator
    I just read through their handbook. This bit was added just this year (2014-2015 handbook)
    Timberlake Christian Schools is a religious, Bible-believing institution providing education in a distinctly Christian environment, and it believes that its biblical role is to work in conjunction with the home to mold students to be Christlike. On those occasions in which the atmosphere or conduct within a particular home is counter to or in
    opposition to the biblical lifestyle that the school teaches, the school reserves the right, within its sole discretion, to refuse admission of an applicant or to discontinue enrollment of a student. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to, living in, condoning or supporting sexual immorality; practicing homosexual lifestyle or alternative
    gender identity; promoting such practices; or otherwise having the inability to support the moral principles of the school (Leviticus 20:13a; Romans 1:21-27; Matthew 19:4-6; I Corinthians 6:9-20).

    I wonder, did it get added AFTER they sent the threatening letter to the grandparents to cover their tracks for targeting one child in the school? This rule was not in place last year when Sunnie was a student there or the year before or the year before that.

    All TCS Students:

    Must wear TCS uniform shirt from TCS uniform vendors.
    May wear an extra tee shirt or turtleneck underneath their uniform shirt that does not have the TCS logo as long as
    only the collar and/or sleeve areas show, and the shirt is of a solid color, like a uniform shirt, with no printing.

    May wear any official TCS jacket, fleece, sweatshirt, or a solid color sweater over uniform shirt. Students may also
    wear a solid color full-zippered sweatshirt or fleece (no pullovers), jacket or sweater over the uniform shirt


    Dress code for girls (K-5):

    May wear solid navy, khaki/sand, white, brown, gray, or black skirt or jumper or a denim jean skirt that is in good
    condition (no patches, no “destructed,” bleached out, or extremely faded fabric). Jumpers must be worn over a TCS
    shirt. These items must come at least to the top of the kneecap (grades 3-5). Skirts must have straight hems—no
    diagonal or handkerchief hems are permitted.

    May wear slacks in khaki/sand/stone, white, brown, navy, gray, or black (no jeans or denim pants). These must be
    classic, traditional pants (no warm up or sweat pants). Capri’s, gauchos and culottes are not permitted for regular
    school day dress.

    May wear casual shoes including tennis shoes. No athletic-sandals, shower/water sport shoes, slippers or combat style boots. Girls may not wear any backless shoes/sandals or shoes with heels over 1 inch.

    May not wear make-up.

    So, girls can wear slacks or a jean skirt. May wear an extra tee shirt or turtleneck underneath their uniform shirt. She had to wear the uniform shirt, so how did the t-shirt come into play as an issue, especially when wearing t-shirts is allowed? No extreme hair styles or unnatural or extreme hair colors. Nothing noted about length of hair and I can not say her hair style is extreme. They picked on her because adults were uncomfortable. She wore a uniform to school. The other kids would not have had an issue if she wore a uniform. I'm guessing they are picking on how she dressed at home and basically saying, if her home life does not conform to school rules, she can not go to their school, as made evident by this line in the letter: "We believe our biblical role is to work in conjunction with the home to mold students to be Christlike." and this: "However, we believe that unless Sunnie as well as her family clearly understand that God has made her female and her dress and behavior need to follow suit with her God ordained identity..." (who are they to judge what identity God ordained her with? In my opinion, she IS living her God ordained identity.She is being Sunnie and dressing and acting in a manner that is comfortable to HER)... "For this reason, we ask you not to re-enroll Sunnie". They kicked her out. They wanted to dictate her style of dress and behavior at home too. At home she wears jeans, t-shirts and plays sports. At home, she is Sunnie. Yet they do not want her acting like any other child of society. They want her to stand out as different from other kids who do not go to their snotty school. Apparently the kids are expected to wear the uniform even at home. Talk about extreme. They control these kids even beyond the school property. How archaic can a school be to demand that kids not be allowed to be themselves even at home?

    student handbook: http://tcs4u.org/timberlakeuserfiles/file/Parent%20Handbook%202014-2015.pdf
    Bob/PKB

    What should one expect from (in my opinion) an extremely conservative private school that doesn't "promote" Halloween and doesn't include "dancing" at school parties? I'm led to believe there is a lot more going on than we are being told. It's not unusual for someone with something to hide to start a recollection from the point forward where there is no self-incrimination. We get a letter acknowledging ongoing concerns.
    Even a public school can (and does) send a student home for dress-code violations. This school expects 24/7/365 alignment with their mission. The school is uber-conservative. And, more importantly, OPTIONAL.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    This letter does not address dress code violations within the school. As I pointed out, it seems to address home life and how the home life conflicts with the school's dress code and how a child should act given their gender. Judging the child when she is away from school. It's your right to support such archaic thinking that puts females in their place. Women fought for the rights we have to be individuals without restrictions. The school wants to move females back to archaic times. I too believe there is more going on, more that what the school is willing to admit to. They suddenly changed rules about the way a girl is perceived to act according to their mindset of what is God ordained, just this year. They are intolerant to tomboys. Their right. I hope this 15 minutes of fame the grandparents and Sunnie are getting, wakes up other parents to just what this school is doing to the students there.
    Bob/PKB

    Again, I'm not assuming anything. Interpretation is the key to the whole issue, and I'm not a mind reader as far as CTS, Sunnie, grandparents, or anyone else goes. This is also part of the handbook:
    DISCIPLINE AND CONDUCT
    24/7 It is our goal to help students endeavor to develop their whole person with an integrated Christian lifestyle. We ask and
    expect that students honor Christ in all behavior and activities 24/7/365. The school generally follows its discipline procedures
    contained herein. However, there are circumstances in which the school administration and/or board may determine, in their
    sole discretion, that it is appropriate not to follow progressive discipline steps. In cases in which a student has engaged in flagrant, immoral, illicit, illegal, and/or other unacceptable behavior which reflects adversely on Timberlake Christian Schools, on campus or off campus, when school is in session or in recess, the school reserves the right to suspend or expel the student immediately. The administration may give parents the option to withdraw the student. In doing so, the discipline issue will not be discussed in the student’s records.

    Sunnie was not expelled; let's keep that in focus. What the school saw as unacceptable IN THEIR OPINION is never made clear to me in their letter. The references to prior and ongoing concerns is unclear. I can't just listen to a one-sided crusade, and I'm not siding with anybody. My point is the school has its rules; were it a public school, the whole issue would be different. This school is an optional choice. Would I send MY kids or grandchildren there? No.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    1. "flagrant, immoral, illicit, illegal, and/or other unacceptable behavior which reflects adversely on Timberlake Christian Schools"

    This cult does not like girls who wear jeans, cut their hair short and play sports. That's extremely clear between the letter and the articles that take the grandparent's views and Sunnnie's views into account also. So, this infraction is one or all over the above. Pretty darn harsh when I see a lot of Christian females who wear jeans, cut their hair short and play sports. What a confusing dilemma for this 8 year old girl.

    2. She was asked not to return. Let's keep that in focus and not mince words. It's clearly outlined what they found unacceptable to me and others. They do not like the way she dresses, and acts. To them, this is a gender identity issue. How you can miss that is questionable.

    3. Rules are made to be broken. A rule that limits freedom of expression and self awareness to females in 2014 and especially one that extends beyond the boundaries of school should not exist. I hope the other parents wake up to this and stop abusing their kids by sending them to that outdated school that indoctrinates rather than educates and teaches kids to be intolerant of the school's idea of the different.

    4. God bless Sunnie's grandparents for being more open minded and realizing the dangers of such an outdated indoctrination.
    Bob/PKB

    What we have here is a failure to communicate. I don't seem to be able to express myself clearly that the school gets to have its rules and Sunnie doesn't have to go there. Therein lies the freedom. If they don't like it, they have the freedom to LEAVE, just like akaQA, scouts, the gym, your house of worship, your job, your home, etc. etc. etc.
    Bringing the issue to the public forum is an invasion of the child's privacy. The grandparents have brought a lot of unnecessary attention on Sunnie, in my opinion, using her as a pawn for some malevolent purpose. One doesn't drag a kid into the spotlight like this with benevolent intent.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    "Bringing the issue to the public forum is an invasion of the child's privacy."

    Uh, no it isn't. It's all over the news media and the internet which is public domain.

    The grandparents set off a warning to other parents who might not know how cult-like this school is. Good on them.

    Sunnie will remember for the rest of her life, those horrid people deemed her unworthy of their school. She will feel that stigma even if it were never publicized. As an 8 year old, I know I would have felt crushed. How dare they be so cruel in their judgement of her.
    Bob/PKB

    How her grandparents could display her like that is also disgusting. I've got to wonder how many people would be willing to spotlight their own children in a scenario like this. Counting yourself, there are 8 of us responding to this question.
    I wouldn't expose my children or their children to this kind of publicity.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Happens all the time. See the conversation under Clu's answer. Search children expelled from school for saying gun, bang, holding their fingers like a gun. It' a way of getting people to understand what is happening in our schools, all schools and how unfair the rules are to kids who should just be allowed to be kids.
    Bob/PKB

    I wouldn't expose MY kids or grandchildren to that kind of publicity. That is my opinion and my choice. The handbook is clear, even the new stuff in bold print. The misdirected conservative nature of the school is obvious to me. We like Halloween, for one thing.
    Please keep us informed how this all plays out, Colleen.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    You say I'm invading Sunnie's privacy by posting her story on this public forum then say you wouldn't do that to you kids or grand kids yet you consistently open questions that discuss in detail the lives of your sons, their kids and their wives and girlfriends right here on this public forum. I believe you've even posted pictures (I could be wrong). Do you think that by not giving their last names, this somehow protects their privacy?

    It's already played out. Sunnie is now in a public school missing her friends and living with the knowledge that the administrators of the misguided school do not like her, the way she dresses or acts and has forbidden her from re-enrolling unless she loses her identity. She will live with the knowledge that they have judged her as unworthy of their school or God's ordinance and that she is not Christlike, so is shunned. Now it's up to the other free thinkers to decide if they want their kids indoctrinated into the ways of this cult-like school. I'm sure it will be in the news if enlightened parents pull their kids out of that school.
    Bob/PKB

    I did not say YOU were invading Sunnie's privacy by posting on THIS forum. I said the grandparents didn't need to make a public spectacle of their granddaughter.
    I certainly did post a photo of one of my sons with his newborn child and do seek opinion about situations. Do I call the newspapers and television stations?
    There was absolutely no reason for Sunnie to know why she was switching schools; an 8 year old doesn't need to have that dumped on her and I don't care what anyone says to the contrary. She is EIGHT. There are rules all over the place. If one doesn't adhere to rules, they lose their freedom and/or are fined monetarily. Some lose their property; some lose their lives. In an OPTIONAL situation, you have two choices: play by the rules or find another game.
    Sometimes it's appropriate and worthwhile to make an issue, but at the expense of a child's psyche, I really don't agree. My issue is with the grandparents more than the school. Yours is with the school and personal freedom. We get to say what we want, WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE RULES.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    I misunderstood. Public forum to me means,a web forum like this one. Main stream media is what I call the other. An 8 year old does not need to be judged by a school and put into counseling because she's a tomboy. She is EIGHT. There is nothing set in stone that she will remain a tomboy as she grows but this school saw fit to worry about the direction she was taking in like (at eight flipping years old). The school attacked her psyche and created a rule for it. Look at the timing of the newly installed rule into the handbook. You would rather her grandparent's lie to her and not tell her that some stupid rule about not being able to dress in jeans and t-shirts at home is what got the do not re-enroll letter sent to her home. I do not agree with lying, not even to a child. What other reason could the grandparents give? It's not like they are moving. The school is to blame. They set this in motion by creating a new rule just because bigoted adults were uncomfortable with a child who expresses herself as a tomboy. Those adults need to grow up and enter the year 2014. At 8 years old she does not need it dumped on her that there is something wrong with her because she is a tomboy. We also get to change the rules when enough common sense people stand up to bigoted behavior.
    Bob/PKB

    It is a private school. No one is forced to attend. There is discrimination everywhere on this earth. One needn't LIE, but there is a tactful way to address the situation. I also think saying "Kicked Out" is antagonistic to the situation. The grandparents were asked not to re-enroll their ward for the next term.
    One REALLY important thing Sunnie (and everybody else) needs to remember: THIS SCHOOL IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF EVERY CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATION OR PERSON. I'll refer you right back to the handbook regarding Halloween and dancing.
    By the way, following one's faith, whatever it is, is a daily endeavor.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    I'm sure the teachers or administrators had already addressed their issues with Sunnie before the ultimatum came. She had to be told why she was in counseling with gender identity confusion being the topic (as outlined in the letter). Anything other than the truth would have confused her. Just because there is discrimination every where does not mean we have to accept it, not even from a private school. Kicked out is what the media used. I just used their wording but with an ultimatum like the one they gave, kicked out is not too far off track. If the grandparents had chosen to continue letting her be Sunnie at home, the school would have kicked her out.

    8 Answers

    I think it is disgusting! There was also a 9 year old kicked out of a Colorado school for shaving her head. She did it to support a classmate who has cancer and lost her hair.   This may be one reason people home school their children. What a horrible example to send to our young folks!

    Colleen

    Moderator
    I just read about that one today (the girl shaving her head). The indoctrination being forced on America's kids today is highly reminiscent of another time that I will not mention due to sensitivities. We need to take our country back, we need to take our schools back. ENOUGH! I have read that schools are beginning to stand against and refuse to use common core in their curriculum. Good! That crap is not teaching the kids anything. It's designed to dumb them down. Time to end the targeting of today's youth.
    clu

    Our grandson is gay and when he graduated last year, he was allowed to wear makeup to high school and rode the girl bus on the senior trip. This is a public high school in Michigan. We were glad that no one seemed to pick on him however many teens now dress with colored hair and quite vibrant clothes!
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Kids today are less prejudice than their parents. They embrace the different rather than shy from it. That's why I do not believe the Christian school's claims that the students were uncomfortable around this little girl. I think the adults in the school were but the kids I'm sure couldn't care less.
    pythonlover

    Moderator
    Here is another one where a school is not tolerating a little boy to take a My little Pony back pack to school. http://www.christianpost.com/news/boy-prevented-from-bringing-my-little-pony-backpack-to-school-officials-call-it-trigger-for-bullying-116309/
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Another case of a school bullying a child's individuality. In this country the supposed message is, end bullying in schools. How can we end bullying when the kids see administrators and teachers bullying kids and demanding that they act only a certain way that is within the adults parameters of proper dress or behavior based on gender and does not allow a child's expression of him/herself. The boy loves my little pony, so what??!! He can only be bullied if the teachers allow it and according to this school's stance on the subject, I believe they would allow the bullying because they are doing it themselves. Stop trying to shove kids into the one size fits all mold. Kids are individuals and have a right to express that individuality as long as it's not harmful to others. Where is the tolerance? The love? The compassion? The understanding? THAT is what schools should be teaching, NOT intolerance to what they perceive as "the different". When adults back this type of intolerance from other adults, they are saying, it's OK to bully and abuse the mindset of children. Disgusting!

    I thought the US Constitution separated church and state, which included education but I suppose a private school sets its own rules. If I was the parent of this child I would transfer her to a state school and she could make up her own mind about religion and her mode of dress.


    Christopher Hitchens rightly said that a religious education is a form of child abuse.

    Colleen

    Moderator
    Yes, private schools have their own rules. That is exactly what her grandparents did (the grandparents are raising her) they put her in a public school. She is however upset about it because she misses her friends. She did have friends at the school so it seems to me that the kids weren't being overly confused about her looks.
    ROMOS

    Not really difficult, is it?
    Chris Hitchens was RIGHT!
    Bob/PKB

    I appreciate your answer, nomdeplume, but truly believe all education systems at this point are a form of child abuse.

    Horrible example of Christianity. What ever happened to "thou shall not judge".


    I hope she doesn't develop any self esteem issues out of this.

    i think the school missed a perfect teaching and learning opportunity to help children understand that every body is different, special and unique.  And based on those qualities different styles of dress and hair, and way of talking and walking may emerge.  creativity and difference should be celebrated and appreciated, not pointed out and stigmatize.  Some of the oddest people may be a math genius or great scientist or musician but never gets to the point of expressing it because they did not look or act like everyone else, and had to utilize their time and energy trying to figure out how to work around stereotyping, bullying and spirit crushing judgements.

    The letter isn't rude or judgmental.  It expresses concern for the student, the other students, and the mission statement of the school.  No one is being "kicked out", and there is nothing condescending or hateful.  


    A private school has its own set of rules, and, no doubt, this request wasn't made on a whim or without serious discussion.  Not everybody has to endorse homosexuality, gender confusion, etc.   Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Atheists, and everyone in between and beyond have beliefs, morals, and lines they don't cross.  NOBODY ever said a Christian was perfect; their beliefs are as steadfast and sincere as those who believe differently.  


    It's a private school, privately funded.  I hope the child gets the counseling and support she needs to make decisions for her life that bring her happiness and success.  If she is unhappy at that school, it's not a good fit.  Why force it on anyone?

    ROMOS

    IOU/TU!
    country bumpkin

    Moderator
    BEST ANSWER (IMO)...THANKS!
    Colleen

    Moderator
    They decided that an 8 year old is either gender confused or homosexual. Everyone else has seen this but you. Read all the other articles out there. Read the comments being made by other people, other Christians. Her grandparents were told not to re-enroll her if they could not change her and get her to conform to what they think a girl should be according to the bible. It states that clearly in the letter. Unless you want to mince words, that is kicking her out. She's not welcome. Why do you think she needs counseling at 8 years old because she acts like a tomboy? Am I wrong or did you once claim that you were a tomboy. Maybe it was someone else. I know I might be mistaken but I'm thinking it was you. I did not know that tomboys need counseling. All the tomboys of my era grew up to be responsible adults. The child says she knows she's a girl. She never said she wants to be a boy. No confusion there. She was happy a school. She had friends there. She cries because she misses her friends. Did you read the article or just the letter?
    clu

    The counseling the child needs is why did this(Christian??) school act so judgmental to an eight year old girl. Sorry But I see nothing of homosexuality or gender confusion anywhere.
    ROMOS

    Read them all, it's a Christian school, they have rules, I attended a protestant school with very strict rules.
    RULES!
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Rules that limit a female from being able to express herself freely in this modern era. Let's not allow females freedom to be what they want to be because somewhere in the bible it is said that they are not allowed to do so. In the year 2014. Yes, the school can do what it wants. It can indoctrinate females with the idea that their freedom of expression is limited. Being a female myself, I really have a problem with that. Thank God the grandparents have done the right thing and not enrolled her back into the controlling, restrictive environment. I feel bad for the kids left behind.
    ROMOS

    I'm happy for the 8 year old female, I hope she thrives in her new environment, but rules are still rules, even at her new school.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    According to the letter, she conformed to all other rules. Perhaps she had no clue that having short hair and wearing t-shirts and jeans made her not a Christian. It's still disgusting in my mind to have such rules in 2014.
    Bob/PKB

    I read the letter and a couple of the articles. From the letter (which is the only thing that seems factual, the rest being subjected to subjectivity), it sounds like there has been concern for a while, the girl IS in therapy, and, though I can't say for sure, is wearing clothing from the boys' department rather than the girls' department, where there are also jeans, t-shirts, tennis shoes, and hats.
    She looks like a sweetheart; I'm sure I would enjoy knowing her.
    When I was a kid, I played soccer, volleyball, basketball, softball, did some field events in track and field, climbed trees, and played in the mud and dirt. I also wore dresses, ribbons in my hair, played jacks and with dolls, and learned to cook and sew, rode a bicycle, took piano lessons and played the BARITONE sax in MARCHING band. What's your point?
    There's a very nice person in one of my classes, who, until we spoke, I presumed was a guy. I've noticed I am the only person who speaks with her for any length of time. Some of us are distressed when we aren't sure of a person's sex (not sexual preference) because we don't want to say or do something that would embarrass ourselves or the other person.
    Is it really necessary that my response be an echo to everyone else's?
    ROMOS

    I agree, but I had to wear some silly outfits at school, my Mother hated buying them, I hated wearing them, but rules were rules, nothing much changes in education, whatever denomination.
    Bob/PKB

    Thank you, ROMOS and Country Bumpkin, for being rational enough to look at both sides of the issue, and understanding a non-emotion fueled reply.
    Sorry you had to dress funny for school, Roy; it's not much consolation that everybody else is miserable if you're still miserable!
    Colleen

    Moderator
    I'm going to assume Sunnie was only in therapy at the insistence of the school according to what I read. They wanted her to conform and when she didn't, I have to believe they insisted on counseling. The grandparents have not said they believe she has a gender identity issue. The school via their letter (which is clear as day to me and others) decided she had problems because of how she dresses, keeps her hair and the fact that she likes sports. If they did not feel like she had a problem because of this, they would not have included ....[the] "administrators can refuse enrollment for condoning sexual immorality, practicing a homosexual lifestyle or alternative gender identity." If they were not judging her, they would not have included that. This too makes me believe they convinced her grandparents that she needed therapy to get over what THEY feel is wrong with her. My point in asking you about tomboys is, do you believe tomboys need counseling?
    In all the articles and interviews I've read and seen, Sunnie has never said she was miserable at school. She never said she thinks she is a boy and does clearly understand that she is a girl and shows no problems with that fact. I'm pretty sure she speaks from her own facts about herself where as the letter is filled with conjecture about her. The teachers could have been more mature and just told the kids who questioned Sunnie's gender that she is a girl. Simple. I do not believe any of the kids were confused, I think that's made up so the "adults" could control and manipulate the grandparents into getting Sunnie "fixed". It's disgusting what they have done to Sunnie. For that, she may actually need counseling. If they want to be so controlling over kids and how they dress, then they should make a rule that all kids have to wear funny uniforms while at school. This way they can all look alike and become the good little drones that the school wants them to be. No freedom to just be individuals. Schools like that should not exist in 2014.
    Bob/PKB

    OK, Colleen. Rather than be a drone, however, I'll keep my thoughts and opinions on this, and every other topic in which I choose to contribute. Thanks for bringing a hot topic with a lot of emotion to the site.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    You're welcome.
    Ducky

    Moderator
    You've said what a lot of people are thinking Bob. It's a private school with private funding. Any business owner can set the rules and "customers" can choose to go elsewhere if they don't like it. (Remember Chick-fila?) They took a stand...they're still thriving. That's how life works.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    I can see the point is missed. Why would anyone do this to an 8 year old child? Chick-Fil-A was not against 8 year old girls acting like tomboys. I'm not upset about the school's views on homosexuality, everyone knows the intolerance millions of Christians have towards homosexuals. It's what they've done to the child. They targeted her, marked her, sent home a threatening letter about rules with a "get your kid under control message" when they admitted she was a good student, followed all other rules and did not cause troubled other than to act like a tomboy which made the teachers uncomfortable (though they blamed "some students who do not know Sunnie well"). How do you think this makes Sunnie feel? She will remember this for the rest of her life. But I'm sure in spite of the school's intolerance of anything different they will continue to thrive too because a lot of people think their way and believe it's OK to do this to a child. Their #1 rule appears to be, "You're not welcome here, you're different". Yes, add the nose in the air flair to that.
    Bob/PKB

    Thank you, Ducky. I have to wonder what prompted the grandparents/guardians of Sunnie to feel it necessary to find the biggest spotlight they could to shine on their granddaughter. "I have to assume" the school wouldn't do something to publicly humiliate an 8 year old child (and they didn't). This whole concern, handled privately, would have been in the best interest of Sunnie, not national exposure. If I had to ask anybody a question, it would be to the grandparents: "Is this the 15 minutes of fame you've been looking for?"

    THIS, OBVIOUSLY, IS A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN SCHOOL.  I WOULD BET THERE ARE MANY CONSERVATIVE SCHOOLS AMONG VARIOUS RELIGIONS IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE HER ATTIRE WOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE.  IF WE LOOKED INTO SOME OF THESE OTHER SCHOOLS, WE WOULD FIND NUMEROUS EXAMPLES OF HER SHIRT AND JEANS CAUSING A PROBLEM.  IF A STUDENT CHOOSES TO ATTEND ONE OF THESE INSTITUTIONS, THEY SHOULD BE PREPARED TO ADAPT TO POLICIES IN PLACE.  IT'S OK TO HAVE OPINIONS AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THESE TYPES OF RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS AND THEIR STANDARDS, BUT ANY ACTIVE CAMPAIGN(S) TO FORCE THE SCHOOL TO CONFORM TO THE STUDENTS WOULD NOT BE RIGHT. SO PARENTS, CHOOSE A SCHOOL FOR YOUR CHILDREN WITH WHICH YOU CAN BE COMFORTABLE.   

    Colleen

    Moderator
    Please note, new rules were added to the handbook in order to ostracize this one child. The grandparents did as you suggested. They did not try to force the school to accept their granddaughter's tomboy lifestyle. They simply removed her from that horrid christian school.

    Please consider not typing in all caps here. Internet protocol dictates that typing in all caps in cyber space is the same as shouting in the real world. No one wants to be shouted at. If you have trouble reading the text on your screen, try holding down on the Ctrl key and tapping the + key to increase the size of the text.

    Then, they would have kicked Brad Pitt's daughter, Shiloh, out of the school.......b/c she wears boys' clothes all the time. Angelina said, " She thinks she's one of the brothers "

    Colleen

    Moderator
    *GASP!* She needs counseling!

    Everyone has opinions…differing opinions than anyone else. That is what makes our world so interesting….if we all agreed on every issue, this would be the most boring hell hole in the Grand Universe. I think we can agree to disagree rather than going for the last ditch stand. Everyone has their own personal pulpit here to run a “shame and blame game” to the end of time. But the game has strings attached to it in the form of life long resentments, missed opportunities for friendship, enduring resentments and I know this may sound strange but by stuffing your head with all that you run the risk of going completely insane in old age and all that keeps you going is that axe to grind, I know, I have seen it. I’m asking for your own good and ours also….give it up. Find a path to peace and practice peace. 


    I grew up as a preacher's kid, and couldn't wait to get out of there. I survived by refusing to argue and accepting anything they had to say to the day I happily left all that behind. I know those closed minded folk who cannot adjust to anything or accept any differing view on any subject. Adaptation is the natural law of survival and it is so easy to do by not fighting the outrageous to let them realize their own expression of the dumbest thing they ever considered doing or saying. Opposing stupidity hardens it and makes that opinion seem so much more relevant. End stupidity by exploring the opportunity given you in consideration of their favor into comedic extremes. That is where rude awakenings happen and their foolishness is understood as unsupportable.

    Ducky

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    Some personalities like to argue just for the sake of arguing and will never open their mind to listen to others. They need the adrenaline rush of the argument, simply to survive! They MUST "win" every argument and often believe that they have.


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