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    What do you think of Israel and Palestine?

    +1  Views: 695 Answers: 5 Posted: 5 years ago

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    It is a terrible situation. for the Palestinians. They need to come to a peace agreement between the two states. Too many people are dying.

    Euro

    Hello Ann,

    If you research the history of the Palestinian conflict you will find that Israel has been accusing Palestine of not accepting terms offered, which are totally unacceptable, for 45 years. This is to delay any peace settlement whilst more and more land is stolen.

    Click on link below

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
    Ann

    I know the instability in the middle east is mostly because the jewish state and Palestine. There have been many attempts by US. Presidents to reach a peace agreement between the two states, but to no avail. Most jewish people in the middle east would like to came to a peace agreement, but it is the right in Israel, who continious this war.Sadly this major problem gets very little coverage in the news. I read that article and I am not surprised. There are some very interesting articles under "Middle East Policies" by the Cato Institute.
    Colleen

    Moderator
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    Euro
    Karma: 30

    To Ann

    Thank you for the link to the Cato Institute. It appears a creditable site. Wish more people would do a little research on such sites rather than believe all the junk in the mainstream news. Meanwhile the Palestinians continue their 60 years of suffering.

    By the way there is a terrific series produced by the BBC called "The Promise" which is great entertainment as well as exposing the early days of the Irgun and Haganah Jewish terrorists who committed unspeakable atrocities against the Palestinian people. Really worth watching.
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    Ann Thank you. I will watch it.

    A Few Forgotten Facts


    1. Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam.


    2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.


    3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.


    4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 CE lasted no more than 22 years.


    5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.


    6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.


    7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.


    8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.


    9. In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.


    10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution, and slaughter.


    11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.


    12. Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own people's lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.


    13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.


    14. The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them.


    15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.


    16. The UN Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.


    17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.


    18. The UN was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.


    19. The UN was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.


    20. The UN was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like a policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.

    Euro

    There is no excuse for the theft of Palestinian land or for the continued occupation of its people.

    Israel is a rouge state that meddles in the affairs of other nations to achieve its ends.

    You can quote as many statistics as you have attempted to do above but the fact is the world is increasingly becoming aware of the actions of the apartheid Zionist regime, that are simply immoral.

    To understand the truth google the link below.

    If Americans Knew

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
    Colleen

    Moderator
    I feel for you and the people Euro but this is not the responsibility of the USA or it's people. These countries will war continuously because of their religions. They will either learn to respect each others religions or they will each work with their religion to change it and make it less of a threat to people everywhere, not just in a country. Abolish all religions and we will have less wars on this earth. Stop fighting over pieces of land. The holy land is not so holy anymore. This fight over who gets it is ridiculous. God is not there.
    digger

    Will you now enumerate the top 20 Palestinian "Forgotten Facts" ? ...in the spirit of "equal time" ?
    valR

    Digger, I don't remember any, would you? :)
    digger

    Val, Selective amnesia ?
    valR

    Digger, Seriously, if you will list them I will honestly accept my either amnesia or ignorance... :)
    digger

    Just one of the many opposing views.

    20 Reasons to Get Angry for Palestinian Prisoners

    1. Administrative detention as a strategy

    Israel has adopted the administrative detention according to the British mandate emergency laws from 1945. This form of detention is applied when the Israeli state wants to lock somebody up but has no charges or evidence against them. The Administrative detention can be renewed every six months and for infinity as long as the detainee signifies a ‘threat’ according to the Israeli army or intelligence service.

    The administrative arrest was commonly used to detain thousands during the first and second Intifadas to get rid of Palestinians stimulating resistance and disobedience against the Israeli policies, and it is still used up to this moment. In this context, Ahmed Saker has suffered from 13 years of imprisonment that were renewed each 6 months without a trial. That is why many Palestinians say that Administrative detention has a beginning but no ending.

    After the declaration on the 14th May by Palestinian Authority officials in Ramallah that the Israeli government will end unjustified administrative detention, a number of detainees including Hosam Khader and Mohammed Alnatsha were subject to the extension of their administrative arrest period for 6 months without charges.



    2. Solitary confinement

    Prisoners seen as ‘most dangerous’ who have an effect on other fellow prisoners are locked up in a special kind of imprisonment where they live alone for 23 hours a day in small room often with no windows where they do not have access to the outside world news, books, television and radio. Right now, Derar Abusisis is still held in such conditions despite the Israeli declaration that it will not keep any prisoners under this category.



    3. No visits or belongings from Gaza

    Ever since the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit was kidnapped into Gaza and kept there for 5 long years, the anger by the Israeli army and intelligence service -that tried so many leads to free him but could not- was diverted towards taking revenge against the Palestinian prisoners from Gaza and their families. Prisons Service has denied any visits for prisoners’ families from Gaza since 2007.

    Although Shalit was released in 2012 in a swap deal with Palestinian prisoners, the laws against visits from Gaza are still applied. A report for Prisoners’ Studies Centre outlined that from 2007 until the end of 2011, over 200 appeals for visits from Gaza’s families to see their sons behind bars were denied

    [Arabic reference: http://masress.com/alwafd/65513]

    The Prisons Service goes beyond denying meetings for Gaza’s prisoners to the limit that they do not allow their relatives to send them any belongings. A west bank prisoner’s mother was describing on a tube video how she receives clothes and books for a prisoner via paid mail from Gaza, and then she hands them to her son in the prison who in turn delivers them to the prisoner from Gaza.



    4. MPs arrested

    Despite the international law against detaining individuals for their political views, Israeli army has abducted many Members of the Palestinian Parliament since the elections held in 2006. There are currently about 27 arrested parliament members according to Addameer for Human Rights. [http://www.addameer.org/etemplate.php?id=339]



    5. Re-arresting freed prisoners

    After the prisoners swap deal with Gilad shalit where the Israeli government has agreed to release nearly 1000 Palestinian prisoners stating that it will not re-capture them again, its military has arrested numerous Palestinians from the West bank who were freed on that swap deal

    [https://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-arrests-palestinian-prisoner-released-in-shalit-swap-1.410197 ]

    6. Anti-human inspections

    Prisoners’ rooms are subject for harsh inspections day and night where armed forces use sound and tear gas as well as watch dogs to storm the cells of inmates, and then they confiscate clothes, books and personal belongings while handcuffing the prisoner’s hands and legs.



    7. Group punishments

    At times when any prisoners go hunger strikes or actions to demand better conditions, the Prisons Service punishes all the prisoners in the section by placing them in solitary confinement, transferring them to other prisons and denying them family visits.



    8. Separation between relatives

    There are many cases where brothers or relatives from the same family are arrested by Israeli military. The Prisons Service then places them in various places far from each other further oppress them, which cause difficulties even for their families when it comes to visit them in various prisons.



    9. Malnutrition

    The quality and quantity of food served in Israeli prisons has deteriorated throughout the years reaching a point where prisoners had to buy extra meals from the prison’s cantine which are often highly priced



    10. Cells’ hygiene

    Deliberately, the Israeli Prison Service keeps a very low standard in terms of hygiene in many cells where bugs, rats and fungi are not rare to see in an environment that lacks proper ventilation. Prison toilets are on the top of the list in this context which has directly and indirectly caused sickness for many prisoners.



    11. Access to medical care

    After their weeks of keeping away from food during their hunger strikes, many prisoners have suffered from poor health and did not manage to get suitable medical treatment in many cases. Others are denied access for getting medical diagnostics to check their health state. The World Health Organization has said it was concerned about the medical condition of Palestinians in Prisons [http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4227802,00.html]



    12. Prisons transfer

    Prisoners experience harsh treatment in their transfer among prisons or to attain the court where they are transferred hand cuffed with their legs tied to the ground of a sealed truck with no windows where prisoners cannot eat, speak or use the bathroom for several hours. This is particularly affecting the elderly and sick prisoners who have been in prison for decades.



    13. Deportation

    When a sentence against an ‘unwanted’ Palestinian prisoner comes to an end, he gets freed but denied his right to return to his home in the west bank and is deported to Gaza. This was the case with Hana Shalabi after winning her hunger strike for freedom. Other examples like Ahlam Tamimi, who was freed in the last prisoners swap deal with Shalit, has been deported outside Palestine, and even away from her family in Jordan. Other prisoners fear that the same might be applied on many similar cases in the future



    14. Abduction

    For decades, the Israeli intelligence service has abducted many Palestinians from other countries around the world and brought them to the Israeli court. A recent case is Dirar Abusisi who was abducted in Ukraine and is still under solitary confinement imprisonment [http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/31/palestinian-engineer-kidnapped-ukraine-israel]





    15. Physical Torture

    Prisoners suffer from various physical torture methods to pull out confessions out of them. Such methods include directly beating them on the face and body, use of electric shocks, use of cold and hot water as well as forcing prisoners to stand tied for long hours in un-comfortable positions just to mention a few

    [http://www.addameer.org/files/Reports/torture-eng.pdf]



    16. Mental torture

    The process of torture goes beyond physically hurting prisoners to hurt them in their dignity by cursing and bad-mouthing them as well as threatening the prisoners to demolish their houses and rape their sisters and daughters.



    17. Right for higher education

    Since the second intifada started and the Prison Service has denied the prisoners their right to complete their education in prison, not to mention the large number of student captivates in Israeli prisons. Addameer has stated in a 2010 report that higher education is conditional and made available for prisoners based on security considerations

    [http://www.addameer.org/etemplate.php?id=300]



    18. Meeting lawyers

    During their last strike, prisoners suffered from poor health and could not stand on their feet due to weeks of fasting. When they asked to meet their lawyers, the Prisons service had denied their right stating that ‘they should physically stand up and ask to meet their lawyers’ in a sly plan to force them to end their strike [http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-05/04/c_131567117.htm].

    Other methods are still being used by the Prisons Service is to handcuff the prisoners while meeting their lawyers keeping a high watch over them, which has resulted many prisoners to refuse meeting their lawyers in such conditions.



    19. Aggressive attempts to end hunger strikes

    Whenever a hunger strike happens in Israeli prisons, the Prisons Service uses several inhuman methods to end the hunger strikes by storming cells searching for salt (which the prisoners use along with water to keep their vital signs) to force them to eat normal food. Also, attempts to force-feed some were planned and may be used in the future as the case for Hana Shalabi [http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/israel-planning-force-feed-hunger-striker-amnesty].



    20. Promote justice for Palestine

    The prisoners see that the priority of bringing justice to Palestine has deteriorated away from the agenda of political parties in Palestine and a movement to restore this priority was imminent. This was why the prisoners signed the call for unity between Fateh and Hamas parties in 2010.

    With the Pro-Palestine activism rising around the world in many countries, the world must hear a clear and undisturbed message that Palestinians has retained the focus towards reaching their strategic goals.



    Rafat Abushaban, 23, is a Palestinian activist living in Gaza. His blog is https://www.zaitoontree.com, Twitter: @zaitoontree

    The Arabs are jealous cause they got Ishmail and the Israels got e-mail..

    Religions are wonderfully peaceful, aren't they ?

    digger

    Yeah,yeah,I know. It's not Religion that's at fault, it's man's perverted use of it that is.
    Cocaine is a docile creation too...until you snort it past your nostrils.
    Perhaps some inventions were simply created for devilish reasons.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    and the little devils take the reins :)
    digger

    AMEN.

    for best life the pseudo "palestinian " must konw & accept  the State of ISRAEL, AND LIFE TOGHETHER Only so they will have a really pace

    Colleen

    Moderator
    I do not believe in the UN. It should be abolished. Each country to their own. If the USA would stop believing it could drag other countries into war with it, we would probably have a lot less wars.
    Colleen

    Moderator
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    Euro
    Karma: 30

    To realyo
    Why should the Palestinians know and accept Israel? Do you really think that will so simply bring peace? How about Israel first stop building illegal settlements on Palestinian land and return to the 1967 borders as ordered by the United Nations? More research needed realyo!
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Euro, please use the "comment this answer" link to reply to people. This way we can keep a conversation all together in one thread. Do not use the "add new answer" box to reply to people.
    You will save me the time it takes to move your replies to where they belong. Thank you ;)
    Colleen

    Moderator
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    To Colleen,

    "comment this answer" does not line up with the comment I wish to reply to. Maybe I will figure it out, but I would rather know if you bothered to view my link on Cynthia Mckinney responding to your post?

    You have not responded to any of my posts only that you do not believe in the U.N.

    Your view "Each country to their own" would take us back to the dark ages. Are you suggesting we abolish all trade agreements, all protection agencies, environmental, peacekeeping, academic collaboration? Your view of the world would be a sea anchor to progress. No thanks.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    I'm suggesting again, to click "comment this answer" under the initial comment of the person you are replying to who replied to that first comment. It's not hard to figure out. If you do that, then I will get an alert that you commented back. I was informed by another member who happened to open this question that you commented to me in the wrong place again.

    I am suggesting that we do away with the UN as it is and start again. This time without the security that we can drag everyone into a war based on lies and fake reports. The dark ages is when religion ruled the world. Abolish religions too. The US and the UN has no right to step into another country and dictate their politics to them.

    As a moderator of this forum I have a lot of responsibilities here. Mainly I answer questions built up on the unanswered pages from people looking for help. I have little time to read links provided by members trying to press their political beliefs. I will try to find some time for your link but with all the questions here needing answers and members to look after and e-mails to reply to along with the needs of my real life, I do not think I will have the time to get that in depth with this discussion. If Ron Paul had made it, I would have voted for him as president because he believes as I do. The USA needs to stay out of these wars in the mid east. They need to figure it out themselves without US intervention or UN intervention. It's not our problem or responsibly.

    I will again move your answer to where it should be.
    Euro

    To Colleen,

    We are in agreement on the blight of fundamental religion. Also agree, Ron Paul would be a great improvement to where we are now. Also agree on staying out of foreign wars on behalf of "predominately Israel"

    If you do find the time to view the link I think you will find it intriguing and shocking.

    Thank you for your patience with my coming to grips with this site
    Colleen

    Moderator
    I promise to find the time to view the link. Thank you for finding the time to work out how to post a reply properly. It is very helpful to keep the threads together and it saves me the time it takes to manually move answers. Our program does not provide a way to move links automatically.


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