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    How many Presidents of the USA have left God out of the Thanksgiving proclamation ?

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    ONLY THE MUSLIM ONES


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    Just wait and see what obama will be doing during christmas. That muslim influence will never be gone.

    So far just obama i believe, the day is coming when sharia law will be protected under the us constittution..

    Headless Man

    Not under the constitution, maybe despite of.

    First of all, Obama isn't a muslim!! Second, read the blasted proclamation. At the end of the first paragraph he states, "let us.....give thanks for the providence bestowed upon us."  Providence in this case - care execrised by a diety or divine guidance. Second paragraph, he makes reference to Washingtons and Lincolns speeches that thank god. In the fifth paragraplh he gives thanks to god and urges people to give thanks whether at home or in their place of worship  and in the sixth he says "in the year of our lord"


    Now, I'm not a religious person, so, I don't care whether you give thanks or not. I believe that a person should be grateful for the good things in life, but if you think that some divine being is responsible, you are delusional, in my opinion. But, thats my opinion and everybody is entitled to one. So, why don't you people drop the muslim nonsense because while you're entitled to you own opinion, you are not entitled to your own set of facts. Obama has been going to the same christian chruch for years. Now, you  might not like his minister or his religion, but thats your own narrow minded opinion, not a fact.

    Colleen

    Moderator
    "First of all, Obama isn't a muslim!!"

    Yes he is. He went to a Muslim church and a Muslim school. Once a Muslim always a Muslim. One can not convert from that religion.

    "Providence in this case - care execrised by a diety or divine guidance. "

    Weak at best. He should have just said God. He could have meant Allah under the guise of "providence".

    "Second paragraph, he makes reference to Washingtons and Lincolns speeches that thank god."

    Still not able to say God himself because it would mean the Christian God. He is not a Christian. He is Muslim.

    "in the sixth he says "in the year of our lord"

    A legal term, he's OK with that.

    Are you Obama's public relation man now? If you are, tell him to watch it. We don't like what he's doing to this country and what the heck does he have against horses? I'm adding horse murderer to his resume.
    Countdown unlit Obama leaves office:
    415 days 00hours, 25 minutes, 40 seconds

    bigben

    He refers to god several times, for heavens sake. Providence in this case weak, how so? It used in a proclamation giving thanks. And he gives thanks to god at the end. Man, am I his apologist, no, but I don't just rant about the man on a consistent basis. You don't like what he's doing to this country, well, maybe you conservatives should have thought of that before you elected Bush, who started us down this road to disaster. And he isn't a muslim. What do you mean, once a muslim, always a muslim. Does that mean that once you're a narrow minded christian you're always a narrow minded christian?
    Colleen

    Moderator
    I am not a conservative. I did not vote for Bush but sadly, I did vote for the fool Obama who is leading the US even further down the destruction path that the Obama supporters want to blame exclusively on Bush. Obama has done nothing to change that course, instead he has hastened the fall of the US economy. I am also not a Christian. Why would you attack them anyway?
    His actions speak louder than his lying words.
    Maz

    Just for interest here the problems with the US economy is not, as you may well know, just unique to the USA - the problem is being felt Worldwide with Greece & Italy having serious problems with many other countries in the Euro Zone also having problems too. There are serious concerns that the Euro is soon to be scrapped.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    @ Bigben Obama's Thanksgiving Message (this is what was twitted about and what was all over the news were he left God out of the message. This was 2011's message. You are talking about his 2009 message).

    From my family to yours, I’d like to wish you a happy Thanksgiving. Like millions of Americans, Michelle, Malia, Sasha and I will spend the day eating great food, watching a little football, and reflecting on how truly lucky we truly are.

    As Americans, each of us has our own list of things and people to be thankful for. But there are some blessings we all share.

    We’re especially grateful for the men and women who defend our country overseas. To all the service members eating Thanksgiving dinner far from your families: the American people are thinking of you today. And when you come home, we intend to make sure that we serve you as well as you’re serving America.

    We’re also grateful for the Americans who are taking time out of their holiday to serve in soup kitchens and shelters, making sure their neighbors have a hot meal and a place to stay. This sense of mutual responsibility – the idea that I am my brother’s keeper; that I am my sister’s keeper – has always been a part of what makes our country special. And it’s one of the reasons the Thanksgiving tradition has endured.

    The very first Thanksgiving was a celebration of community during a time of great hardship, and we have followed that example ever since. Even when the fate of our union was far from certain – during a Civil War, two World Wars, a Great Depression – Americans drew strength from each other. They had faith that tomorrow would be better than today.

    We’re grateful that they did. As we gather around the table, we pause to remember the pilgrims, pioneers, and patriots who helped make this country what it is. They faced impossible odds, and yet somehow, they persevered. Today, it’s our turn.

    I know that for many of you, this Thanksgiving is more difficult than most. But no matter how tough things are right now, we still give thanks for that most American of blessings, the chance to determine our own destiny. The problems we face didn’t develop overnight, and we won’t solve them overnight. But we will solve them. All it takes is for each of us to do our part.

    With all the partisanship and gridlock here in Washington, it’s easy to wonder if such unity is really possible. But think about what’s happening at this very moment: Americans from all walks of life are coming together as one people, grateful for the blessings of family, community, and country.

    If we keep that spirit alive, if we support each other, and look out for each other, and remember that we’re all in this together, then I know that we too will overcome the challenges of our time.

    So today, I’m thankful to serve as your President and Commander-and-Chief. I’m thankful that my daughters get to grow up in this great country of ours. And I’m thankful for the chance to do my part, as together, we make tomorrow better than today.

    Thanks, and have a wonderful Thanksgiving.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/11/24/obamas_thanksgiving_message_on_the_challenges_of_our_time.html
    bigben

    Colleen, I stand corrected, you absolutely right, I did look at the wrong message. Sorry.
    bigben

    So Colleen, you a disaffected democrat? Well, that makes two of us. I voted for him as well. But, I don't think that he's a fool, I think that he appears more wishy washy or weak to me. I thought that he would be more assertive and forceful and I think that because of that we have not made the progress that we should have by this time. Heck, I'd even vote for a sensible moderate republican at this point, but I don't see any.

    I left aqaQA yesterday explaining my reasons - quotes from the Bible / religion etc...  Colleen as a moderator look at the arguments here on this thread today about Muslims. You yourself as a moderator could be seen to be inflaming issues here. If your President is black, green, red or yellow - Catholic, athist or Muslim, that should make no difference. Judge people for WHO they are not because of their faith. You say this site is, and should not be used, as a platform for preaching. Unfortunantly  it is! Why on Earth others can't see it is beyond me. Personal  religious views on an International forum like this should be kept private. Collen with due respect, this site, as we all know, is a Question & Answers forum & should be based on fact - not based on personal opinions or ramming extracts from the Bible down peoples necks. There is a great difference betweem fact & personal opinion. IMHO you really do run a danger of being seen as a site that is against certain faiths which could cause problems for the future of aqaQA - i really hope not. 


    As a footnote here, as a British Soldier I have served with people from different countries, from all walks of life with many different faiths - & yes i have trusted those men with my life & visa versa - religion has never been an issue. Many of those good men have paid the ultimate price for World peace. The point here that i am trying highlight is that serving beside them the differences in regards of thier faiths has never been questioned - there is no place in the British Army for this type of narrow minded view & quite rightly so. 


    I am not interested in what faith anyone has on this forum, whether you worship the Sun the moon or you are a Muslim, Catholic, or a total non believer. I still class people here as equals & my friends -  fellow human beings. 


    Think about this: how would you feel if  verses from the Koran were posted on here  along with not nice comments about your faith ..... and before you post your thoughts with knee jerk comments at least spend a few minutes to think about it & then post an honest answer without copy & pasting quotes from the Bible.


    Comments on here:  "ONLY  THE MUSLIM ONES"  -   "Once a Muslim always a Muslim".   


    I really do owe this final post to my many friends on here -  whatever your beliefs!  


    Maz - (an open minded Christian)    


      


           


              

    Colleen

    Moderator
    As the leader of the United States of America, his religion does make a difference. All presidents are guided in their decisions by their faith, no one can tell me they are not. I do not agree with the Muslim faith but I do not post questions trashing it either. Did I say anything at all against the religion here? Did anyone?

    Yes, akaQA is a question and answer forum. Freedom of speech and personal opinion is allowed. I am in no way attacking the Muslim faith with my opinion. I also see no arguments here about the faith itself.
    Maz

    Hi Colleen, re: your comment on freedom of speech - yes i do agree with you 100% that freedom of speech is the right of every Demmocratic country - however as i always say to people when you post on the internet you have a Worldwide audience & comments that are posted incorectly can be offensive to other people in other countries (even other demorcratic countries). Oh by the way, I am not for one minuite implying your post is offensive here! Also i agree that personal opinion is allowed, but on Q&A those personal opinions should surely be relevent to the question that is asked. Some members on this forum do ask questions re; the Bible / God / Jesus / religon to purposly get a Bible thumping session on the go. Yes Colleen it then again gets very tedious with the thumpers on thier platform yet again copying & pasting quotes from the Bible - then the disagreements begin. When that thread is exhausted another one starts & so the cycle goes on.

    You say you do not agree with the Muslim faith. Colleen I totally respect your view. I for one would not try to change your mind because i respect that that is your opinion & fully respect your views. There are many things in life i disagree with also but i don't stand on a soap box on Q&A to try to get my point across or to try & change peoples opinions. This site is not the place!
    Colleen

    Moderator
    In order to control the religious questions (religion is listed as a topic here under labels), the admin would have to limit freedom of speech and censor questions and comments. This would upset the rest of the members. The best that can be done is to recognize and stop the questions that are designed to be sermons to push a particular religious agenda. Discussions will happen, arguments will happen. Without censoring there is little that can be done about the heated debates. I've said before, I will quit being a mod if that is going to be held against me and used to limit my freedom of speech and opinions here. I may be a moderator but I am also a member and have a right to express my opinions like everyone else. If I am going to be limited to what I can say just because I am a mod I can do one of two things, I can quit answering all questions or I can quit being a moderator. The administrators of akaQA have very few rules here. I have to find a way to please every member here with no real guidelines or rules to go by. Religion will always be a topic here. I can not stop that and the admin will not stop it. That would go against freedom of speech and it would be censoring. akaQA would no longer be a liberal forum. I hope you can understand the position the administrators are in when trying to draw a line without offending someone.
    Maz

    Colleen thank you for your reply. A few points here - there is no way that i would even entertain using any type of forum that denied people the freedom of speech. The words freedom of speech are however often used & quoted on the internet as an excuse to post offensive & sensitive posts. Several days ago a photo of a black baby girl was posted on aqaAQ with a breathing tube down her nose that was refering to a thread on female orgasm. That post then is regarded as ok, because of freedom of speech issues. That poor child is obviously seriously ill; that child has a mother...... If you were to get a poster of that poor child with a comment refering to female sexual orgasm and stood outside your local Walmart, you would then see where the freedom of speech ideal will get you - a trip to a local Police cell & a court apperance. Many people quite wrongly believe that term "freedom of speech" allows and gives them a right to insult & lible. Wrong! The golden rule here is if you would not say it in public or to a persons face - don't post it on a forum! Yes, freedom of speech is fine when it's not in your backyard or effecting your family or your beliefs. Yes there is on multi cultural / International forums ideals & morals that should come into play - with at least a sticky thread with a few well defined rules. Do not mistake rules as sensorship or a threat to freedom of speech - as people that live in a demorcratic society we all have rules & morals that we all have to abide by on a daily basis. Those rules are in no way a threat to free speech, democracy or sensorship.

    Of course Colleen as you correctly say heated debate will always rear it's head and opinions will differ, but that is not in any way a sign of a bad forum - it would be very sad if we all shared the same ideas & views! As far as you standing down and quitting as a moderator - why should you do that? A fact of life here: with the best will in the World you will never please all the people all of the time, and as a moderator you are there as a "caretaker" to overview proceedings - because you do that role does not mean that you loose your right to express your own opinions & views. As far as religion goes, i also agree that questions on the subject will appear from time to time, however i do feel along with many others that most of these questions are "planted" to simply gain a free International platform to preach. Highjacking of forums by religious or political factions is now getting known. They often target sucsessful forums like akaQA that have a large captive audience. They actually use the freedom of speech banner to spread the word on other peoples forums!!! Good moderation here is the key to sucsess. At least i have mentiond my concerns regarding the issue - it is of course up to the admin to make any changes they feel fit & not a forum user. I am sure you have your own, maybe differing views, on this matter.

    For what it is worth how about a sticky thread with a few simple common sense rules and maybe a mission statement posted on the header of akaQA. Most sites do. I really do believe that the membership would welcome it. How about you as a Mod putting it up as a question on akaQA? It would be fun to see the replies too!


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