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    why do you insist on putting gays on

    Sorry to say we want be watching this years Dancing with the stars, it seems like everytime you turn around ABC is trying to shove Gay rights down our throats , if not this show its another one and another , come on people the more you take the more there going to shovel. Its it about time for the us straight people have ours rights. Besides they will have plenty of gays to watch there show

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    Bob/PKB

    Is that a typo there where it says "we want"? Do you mean you WON'T watch DWTS because someone who used to be a lesbian is on it? You do NOT get to voice an opinion about gay people....you do not have the right to freely speak against gay people. That is not one of the rights granted to you in the Bill of Rights.

    Actually, you are supposed to be able to speak your mind. It's just that, as a civilized society, it behooves us to be tolerant of others; you don't have to agree with them, but you don't need to incite a lynching, either.

    I have the right to watch something else on TV. In some countries, you wouldn't have that choice, if you even had a TV. In some countries, your remarks here would earn you a blindfold and last cigarette in front of a firing squad.
    studebaker162

    Just get over it and let everyone be who they are. No one has the right to call anyone anything!

    25 Answers

    like it or not....they ARE people too

    That why the  have  turners for   if you don't like   it  change channels .

    come on us straights have had the history of the beginning of time no one is shoving them down your throats lighten up man if you secure and sure about your sexuality this shouldn't bother you

    No gay person is on Dancing with the stars. Chad is transgendered, not gay. There is a difference. Open your mind you whiny bigot.


    Straights have all their rights. It is your right to shut off your TV and never leave your house. You have no idea how many gay people are around you everyday. How many wait on you in restaurants, cook your food, bag your groceries, drive the ambulance that takes you to the hospital where a gay doctor might be the one to save your bigoted ass, put the fire out should your home catch fire. Did you know one of the heroes on flight 93 that went down in PA on 9-11 was gay? At the time he died he was still fighting for his rights, rights that you enjoy. His name was Matthew Sheppard. Some say he's in hell because he was gay, even though he died trying to save his fellow Americans. We are still fighting for the rights he did not have. Shut your ignorant mouth. Too many good people go unnoticed because of bigoted asses like you.

    jhharlan

    I am beginning to like you more and more and more....
    matheneyg

    Good answer Colleen even if we differ on politics . Way to Go

    They are PEOPLE and they have RIGHTS just like EVERYONE else !!!!!!!!!!!!

    who cares because

    it's beyond me to understand how cruel straight people can be against gay people. thanks, colleen. i'm standing up and clapping. 

    Colleen

    Moderator
    Zorro is one of those cruel people yet he/she still got 8 TU's which shows there are at least 4 more cruel people on this forum.

    Who cares as long as the show is watched, Gays don't bother me and the ones I know are good friends and I'm as straight as a board... Open your mind to a whole new world, you'll be amazed....

    zorro

    exactly
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Did you forget your previous comment already Zorro? I'm sorry but I'm still not seeing any open mindedness in your comment, especially the "quite funny to watch and make fun of" part.

    WOW! That sure put the cat among the pigeons.


    People are people are people, you watch the TV for entertainment sexual preference has nought to do with it .



    I believe in live and let live, the remote is always at hand if you do not wish to watch.

    If you think there are gays on TV and it offends you, simply turn the channel. You are an adult and have an opinion on gays. I have a comment which will no doubt get some flack. I have Great- grandchildren, while watching TV the other day a commercial about a room freshener came on. The two characters in the commercial were portrayed as a lesbian couple. MY 4 year old Great-granddaughter was watching TV and didn't ask anything about the commercial obviously. I don't want a commercial to subliminally promote a lifestyle which may one day confuse my great-grandchildren. My point is this, I 'm straight and I want all of my children to be tolerant of people and other lifestyles, but I prefer they grow up in a heterosexual environment. My kids were all encouraged to participate in sports of which some are consider gender specific, although today it is difficult to identify them. I want my kids to be straight. Should they choose to be otherwise, I will love them no less.


    P.S. I will contact the advertiser of that commercial and make my thoughts known.

    Colleen

    Moderator
    Your environment should counter any environment on TV. There are no subliminal messages. I think it was quite clear, two women together are nothing to be afraid of. People are gay because they are born that way. Commercials, like gay people do not have magic wands that zap heteros and poof them into homosexuals. Your own fears are placing your mind in a fake reality. The 7 Dwarfs were not gay Walt.
    ed shank

    Lack of confidence and conviction equals fear, not here my dear. I do agree with your comment that people are born that way. But you and I are in the minority when it comes to that opinion. Your right the message wasn't subliminal, it was blatant. I liked the 7 dwarfs even if they were gay.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    You are worried that a commercial might induce your grandchild into becoming a homosexual. That is innate fear in my opinion. Did I read you wrong?
    ed shank

    Obviously a commercial will not encourage anyone to choose a same gender partner. That subject should be addressed by an adult and not a TV commercial. I am not fearful of them choosing an alternate life style, but I would prefer they be straight. If you detect anything of a homophobic nature in what I've posted, I don't know what else to say other than your dead wrong.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    I can remember similar reactions when the first black people began appearing on TV. People screamed holy hell about that too. Whites use to move out of towns if a black family moved in just to keep their kids away from the "darkies". Just saying.
    Some things you just can't hide kids from in a changing world. I would think you would be more up in arms about the fact that sexually explicit bedroom scenes are shown on shows that children view and that there are commercials that talk about erectile dysfunction, arousal enhancement gels, menstrual cycles and ladies bras and panties modeled right there on the screen when once kids use to have to sneak into the Sears catalog to peek at a photo of a woman modeling a bra. No wonder 8 year olds are having sex. There's nothing left to wonder about they see everything else on TV. So go ahead and contact the advertiser to complain that they showed two women together in a room fully dressed and not making out in the commercial but leave the commercial about a man's penis problem alone. I suppose E.D., sex gels, menstrual cycles, half naked are all OK because at least they are normal. It's those gay people who will warp children if the children have to know about them.
    ed shank

    I totally agree with you in regards to the commercials you noted, and I think they are also inappropriate for a very young audience. However the actors are either a man or a man and woman in those commercials and the kids would not question seeing a straight couple holding hands, because mommy and daddy hold hands. That's my take on it.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Umbriel, as simply as I can make this so you can understand, there are people in this world who are born to be exclusively heterosexual, exclusively homosexual and exclusively bi-sexual. Which one are you? When I say homosexuals are born to be homosexual, I'm speaking of exclusive homosexuals. If I were speaking of bi-sexual, I would say bi-sexual. I guess I just assumed people would be intelligent enough to understand that. My mistake. I do not want to hear about your historical characters or modern criminals, you Umbriel, what are you? How exactly would you prove you are what you say you are? I do not agree with you by the way. Again I say you are attempting to think beyond your means.

    My goodness.  This is quite a debate going on outside of the question. 
    1. People who tune in to DWTS to see Chaz are not promoting G/L rights.  They are curious to see what he looks like. It IS pretty amazing to think that someone once a woman can become a man or vice versa.  I'm curious, but I like the show, too. He is blessed to be able to make the change. Many are trapped in bodies that betray their true identities.
    2.  There are so many "special interest groups" hollering for equal rights, equal pay, equal benefits, Equal sugar substitute. G/L are very vocal and always on the offense while defending their position  (playing both parts of the "game", very good strategy because it leaves the opposition wondering what they are supposed to be doing).
    3.  I'm a little more concerned when I see the flag of another nation flying above the flag of the U.S. by people who are enjoying the freedom and elevated lifestyle (as in food, clothing, and shelter, along with all kinds of educational and social assistance) that would not be forthcoming if they lived in the land of the flag they so proudly wave. THAT sickens me.. 
    4.  I'm a little more concerned about my kid coming home when he was in 2nd grade asking me about some graffiti he saw another kid on the bus scribbling on the window.  It was a gang symbol.  I'm a little concerned that our school district has banned red AND blue clothing from being worn to school. A friend who is a teacher told me she can't even wear her red shoes to school. 
    5. Like so many before me here, my answer to the question is:  If you don't like what's on channel 78, don't watch it.  You have 2,368 other channels to surf through. 
    6.Lots of people ARE homophobic.  There IS something different about a G/L person compared to a heterosexual person.....their sexual orientation.  That's it. I don't get it, it's not something I embrace for myself, but I don't let it dictate whether or not someone is my friend. 
    7.Most of us face some sort of discrimination during our lives.  Some of it is very subtle, some is very obvious.  
    8. Pornography is not a good representation of 'healthy' sex.  It is generally base & lustful in nature, somewhat degrading to at least one of the three people (or animals) involved. I imagine a very small percentage of the world has regular sexual activity that comes close to the fantasies of porn. I'm pretty liberal, but a man's got to know her limitations! 
    9. Pedophiles like sex with children.  Homosexuals are intimate with people of their same sex.  Heterosexuals are intimate with people of the opposite sex.  Suggesting that a pedophile is also a homosexual is paranoid . Are there heterosexual pedophiles?  I don't think it really matters...a pedophile forces a child into sex.  G/L and heteros don't do that.  They have relationships with consenting adults.  So let go of that B.S.
    10. Lots of men in prison have homosexual relationships while incarcerated because that is the only kind of sexual relationship available (most of the time). Lots of women in prison have homosexual relationships while incarcerated for the same reason.   If you were stranded on an island with little to eat aside from beetles and grasshoppers, you would eat them, wouldn't you.  When you get back to civilization, you probably won't stay on the beetle and grasshopper diet.   Make the connection.
    11. The only thing that rattles my chain about G/L people is that some are so vocal and demonstrative in asserting themesleves.  Bumper stickers, rainbow this and that, something that labels them as G/L.   I am being told what their sexual preference is by these statements.  It is comparable to my displaying a bumper sticker that says "I like cock" or "Honk if you swallow".   TMI



     

    Colleen

    Moderator
    All great stuff till the end. The reason for the rainbow stickers is not to promote the sex gays have in their bedrooms it is to promote that statement of 'Yes, I am a homosexual but I am a person and I am proud to be who I am in spite of bigots who can not see past my bedroom.' It is to say, 'I am here and out of the closet and no one can force me back into the closet again.' Homosexuals are more than just sex with the same sex,just like heterosexuality is about more than the sex act between two people of the opposite sex. It is also about the fact that gays love and love is what matters the most in any relationship. Our sex lives are like your own. It happens when it can be scheduled into an overly busy life. The stickers represent pride of the life and community. They are also a great way for gays to recognize other gays since contrary to popular belief, not all homosexuals look like whatever homosexuals are suppose to look like. We have to have some way of letting our community members know we are one of them. The heterosexual men took over the earrings that gay men used as a symbol. Straight women head for gay bars so they can hide out from hetero men so lesbians at the gay bars now have to guess if the woman sitting there is a lesbian or a hetero. Straight people started putting rainbow stickers on their cars when they saw the gays doing it. Funny thing is, some of them do not know they are copying gays, they just like rainbows. So the next rainbow stickered car you see might actually belong to a hetero person. Try thinking of the driver getting fu**k'd by his/her opposite sex partner and you might feel better and actually enjoy the mini film in your head. Really, must you people try to take all our communication and safe havens from us? You don't like it if we communicate verbally, you don't like it if we communicate symbolically. What would you like us to do so we can let each other know if we are family, members of the gay community?
    If we wanted it to be at the level that you put it, then we would have stickers of rainbow beds or something. What sickens me is the amount of heterosexual sex I have to put up with while viewing shows on TV. Most times the movie or show should have an X rating. There's no need for such displays in most all programming. I do not care to see some guy slobbering all over a woman. But I have to put up with it or turn off my TV, which I typically do. It doesn't stop there either. I have to see the same showing of hetero sex in magazines, at the stores, watching some guy groping his girl or a guy and a girl making out in the check out line. I'm really tired of the straight sex life being shoved down my throat. I find it no more appealing than you find my sex life. Heteros never think about the people who might find these displays revolting though do they? Yet they are the first to scream about a rainbow sticker or maybe even *gasp* gays holding hands, such a display ick! Hmm.
    Trust me. Most homosexuals are too busy trying to carve out a tiny bit of happiness in a world that still works against them than to take the time and think of ways they can offend the delicate senses of their heterosexual peers. You people offend yourselves with the way you think and the fact that you can not keep yourselves out of our bedrooms. I can not believe the sight of a rainbow sticker puts you in my bedroom.
    Bob/PKB

    There you go assuming again. This time it's that I'm in favor of portrayals of sex on TV (or movies) that are extremely explicit. Please try to stop assuming things about me. ASK me my opinion of explicit sex on TV. I don't tell you how you think or what you feel.

    I'm sure there is something wrong with my saying this, but I don't see any major difference between myself and a G/L person outside of sexual orientation, but I'm sure you can elaborate on how ignorant I am for not knowing how difficult ALL straight people in the WHOLE WORLD make life for ALL the G/L people in the world. MY life is just too easy.

    I struggle against discrimination you can't begin to understand, far beyond the simple difference in sexual orientation. The value of me as a person (and everyone else, for that matter) is not based on sexual orientation. That stereotyping it SEEMS you have done of me (note AGAIN that I am not accusing you of anything) is just one example of the prejudice I have to put up with because I am a divorced, half- Armenian, Christian woman who is the elder of two children of parents who were successful in their family business, with brown eyes and straight brown hair, who married a man with had a history of infidelity and should have known how that was going to end, and I had three sons (but no daughters) with him and I had a nervous breakdown when he left the boys and me, and because I went to a local community college before transferring to a school far away from home because I was tired of people thinking they knew who I was inside and if I moved where no one knew me I could be exactly who I was and not act like what I thought was expected of me as a straight female who prefers Bud Light to Coors Light because of other people's narrow-minded judgmental tendencies. Yes, all that IS stupid, but if I want, I can make an issue out of every little thing to validate the fact that I march to the beat of a different drummer (ask anybody) and no one should question anything I say or do just because I'm not dancing to his music. Oh, I don't get to do that? But but but....

    Perhaps the G/L debate is not a big deal to me because I don't judge someone based on his/her sexual orientation or the color of the skin or (believe it or not) the faith choice. Now, political affiliation, that's a whole different ballgame!
    Lighten up on me a little, Colleen. I said I was rattled by what I considered overly assertive behavior. It's an OPINION, like everything else I said, and in contrast to all the hard, cold facts you've shared. I'm beginning to think you are going to keep baiting me hoping I show you something you can "ah ha" at me.
    Rainbows are the same as those flags waving above the US flag in my eyes. They are reminders that we are different; I can't be in your "club" because I'm not just like you. The funny thing is I'm just going along with my life while you are waving flags in my face and telling me I have to accept you, but you don't have to accept me (and don't pretend you DO accept me; you haven't yet).
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Wow, you are really off base again. You're the one who went vulgar and now you are having an issue with the fact that I explained why a rainbow sticker should not put you in a gay's bedroom? Forget it. You're too emotional. This is too many times you shot off the board with me. I'm done. Please avoid me in the future and I will do the same with you.
    Bob/PKB

    I'll keep working on getting MY blinders off, but will certainly honor your request. Best wishes.
    ed shank

    Ladies, play nice. Take 10 deep breathes. Smoke a cig or joint, chill.
    franklin5

    wow bob/pkb you can take all this time to write this response,,,but can 't even answer your own riddle question...amazing....
    Bob/PKB

    franklin, please. the "best answer" IS the answer. What Chair.
    My error for thinking that designation would indicate the answer I was looking for had been offered.
    Plese accept my apologies for not posting the answer myself. PKB

    All the gay people i have personally have passed on, all from sexually transmitted diseases. They just need to be left alone. I know its sickening to observe their behavior, but some are quite funny to watch and make fun of.


     

    Colleen

    Moderator
    How many gay bedrooms do you sit in to observe their behavior? How did I miss just how narrow minded you are? What ugly words you post. This is the second such comment. Stop watching gay porn. It's not real and most of the actors are straight.
    Have you bothered to keep count of the straight people who have died from a sexually transmitted disease or are you only counting the gays? Do you think straight is so perfect that they are immune to the same diseases that gays can get?

    Honey...we are all people.  That's a fact Jack.  Gay, Straight, Blue or Green we are all just people.

    I have to think by looking at all the reaction here, you succeeded in stirring the pot! It's really quite simple, if you have an issue then cut off you cable or even simpler than that...use the clicker. We are all human and who gives a crap what sex your attracted too, there's bigger issues going on in the world than putting yourself in this little bubble and creating frack between really great people. perhaps diverting your attentions towards some cause that actually helps society, you will not have the wasted time to sit in front of the boob tube and create waves on a sight like this.

    KNOCK IT OFF WITH THE GAY SH          IT

    Colleen

    Moderator
    You're still too cute sometimes, franklin ;)

    ""There's nothing gay about me!

    Headless Man

    No, but you do look like a bit of an exhibitionists.....
    eggplant

    It's a good picture, but it's not me.

    Happy to oblige.  Do wish you all good things.

    "putting Gays on"......... putting gays on what??!? Homophobia is discrimination against one group of people. It is abhorrent and in many situations it is illegal.

    hector5559

    No need to explane to the twit,

    I can't believe the amount of writing this stupid bloody question has inspired.


    The answer is simple,CHANGE THE FRIGGIN" CHANNEL!


    This question is about a TV show,right?


    The comment by studebaker162 dealt with it in one sentence.TUs to you


     

    Colleen

    Moderator
    Like usual this type of question has brought out ignorant thinking. It takes this much writing to educate the uneducated. Read it, don't read it, it's the only way I can combat ignorance when it rears it's ugly head. Sorry, I will continue to defend my community.
    Tommyh

    More power to you for that Colleen.
    But personally I just think ignorant people that say things like that should just be ignored.You're not going to educate him,his head is too thick.All he can focus on is the way gays have sex.He can't see the rest of their lives & there is so much more to life than sex.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Unfortunately, they end up educating others into their way of thinking. I've seen this site come a long way in how they respond to homosexuals. When I first joined it was a free for all as to who could be the most negative and insulting to or about the homosexual. Then people got to know me and the more I spoke about homosexuality, the more people who started to shift away from the negative comments and started to support gays as human beings and not something to made fun of. I am overtly proud of the members of this forum. I now see them rally against bigoted statement like this. I see God in their words. It makes my heart happy. So I will continue to educate and be the voice against ignorance. I might not be able to get through to him but my words are finding their way into others. That's why I do what I do. Because others are reading too. ;)
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Now I have to go bathe my dogs because for the first time ever they have tiny little blood sucking politicians known as fleas on them. Ugh.

    SEX, who needs it......... Get yourself medically castrated it will make life much simpler.

    Colleen

    Moderator
    Even women? How would one go about doing that? Remove the cl*t?
    Headless Man

    I'm sure it could be done medically, you would just loose the desire.......
    Colleen

    Moderator
    There's some African tribe that actually does that to their women and it's found that it causes complications to the women and they live with pain for the rest of their lives.
    Headless Man

    It was supposed to be a joke, altho I've been medically castrated years ago, by the drugs I must take to stay alive, I don't really mind it......lol

    What i saw was homosexual acts ,and  they all were child sex offenders. My conclusions all come from personal experiences, which you will never see or want to see.

    Colleen

    Moderator
    You saw anal sex, not strictly a homosexual act as straight people have anal sex also. You were a guard with no professional psychiatric training. You can not diagnose anything. Homosexuals are not pedophiles. Every top psychiatrist around the world will tell you that. You are wrong. Just because you worked a job with a closed mind does not mean you have any kind of factual insight. You saw what you wanted to see and you believe what your mind wants to believe. You are gung ho to make anyone not like you a pervert. This is the prison guard way of thinking. It's learned thinking. Prison guards are also known to be no better than the criminals they keep. Their morals dip way down because of the job. Sorry but I have spent my life researching all of this. You just had to accept a way of thinking that your fellow guards already had. No research required.
    zorro

    Damn now i know what a democrat feels like. I was not a guard, my doctorate degree worked for me . You are totally wrong. You know absolutely nothing about prison, and what goes on there. Child molesters are and can be homosexuals . My doctorate degree says i can diagnose. Genetics and psychology. Now do you want my diagnose of your thoughts. Your absolutely normal. Making general remarks about what you dont know much about. Its perfectly normal. I certify you sane.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Child molesters are child molesters. The fact that you keep pushing your uneducated agenda that child molesters are gay shows what a closed mind you have. Your opinion in this is meaningless as it has no fact to back it up. Just your childish tee heeing at the behavior of criminals who do not represent non criminals.
    What is your doctorate? Close mindedness? Because it certainly isn't psychology as you claim. I am a lesbian. I live the life and I live well within the homosexual community. You're pushing ridiculous propaganda based on your own prejudices and I do not need a doctorate to prove it. You do all the proving for me every time you post to this. you're really looking foolish at this point. You should stop throwing egg in your own face.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Dr. Carole Jenny reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in only 2 of the 269 cases in which an adult molester could be identified.

    The empirical research on adult sexual orientation and molestation of children does not show that gay men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to suggest that molestations of children by adult homosexual men never occur. They do. But molesting children has nothing to do with whether a man is heterosexual or homosexual.
    ___________________________________

    "One study involved 175 male adults who had been convicted in Massachusetts of child sexual assault. They found that NONE of them were homosexuals; all of them would fit the description of a fixated child molester. They were sexually attracted only to children and not to other adults.

    Just to prove my earlier point that child molesters are child molesters and most of them lead a heterosexual life. You are trying to claim that child molesters can only be homosexual. WRONG!

    I can get more if you need more.


    These child molesters were all homosexuals. All homosexuals were housed together for their protection. They all has serious mental problems, cannot , and not able able to function as law abiding citizens in society.These were homosexuals that branched out to children for a new experience . Colleen , you are not correct on anything, these homosexuals are child molesters and i am not even close to be narrow minded. Gays - lesbians should enjoy the same work benefits as rest of us.  They should  have every right to be just as miserable as the rest of us. In my research homosexuality is a disorder. This is a disorder that these people are born with or develop very early in life. A physical and / or mental desire to not be with or attracted to opposite sex. My guess, guess only ,was that it was a genetic mix up that can cause a hormone imbalance. Reason i say born with, is because homosexual men tend to look , act , walk, talk, etc, much different from other men. These people are this way for a reason. There is a problem and it does not benefit the human species to reproduce or procreate offspring. Thats why i say homosexuals need to have and be allowed to have benefits as married people . I am all for homosexuals adopting kids to have their own family.  On the personal side, i dont ever want to see two men kissing in public, makes me sick . But two women kissing really doesnt bother me as much as two men. I guarantee you nobody  here supports gay - lesbian rights and lifestyle more than me. Heterosexuals  do not understand homosexuality and reasons behind it as i do. Let me add one more thing, even if say its genetic,and possible heritable, it is probably possible that two non genetic carriers can produce homosexual offspring. So there can be two or more causes of homosexuality.

    Colleen

    Moderator
    Would you stop putting out your own opinion as truth please. There are far too many studies that prove you wrong. Homosexuals are not pedophiles. Pedophiles are pedophiles. Homosexuals are homosexuals. It's people like you who refuse to expand your mind beyond your own narrow thinking that make the homosexual life hard because you get people believing you. This is why homosexuals are not allowed to teach in schools. Because some people who listen to the likes of you say, no! They are all pedophiles and will go after the kids! They always forget that the pedophiles that have been caught messing with children in schools have been heterosexual men and women.

    There's no such thing as a homosexual who branches out to experience something with children. Only narrow minded thinking could make a person believe that. Pedophilia is a mental disorder homosexuality is not. Stop trying to link the two together, just like heterosexuality and pedophilia are two different things, so is homosexuality and pedophilia, unless of course you would like me to start promoting that every heterosexual is a pedophile because the majority of pedophiles caught lead heterosexual lives. Apparently you ignore that fact too because it doesn't fit your agenda of promoting that all pedophiles are homosexual.

    Your research is faulty. By research do you mean you've read a couple of articles about the subject? Why would you tell a lesbian who has lived her life as a lesbian that she is wrong about her life and the lives of the people in her community? What kind of person does this other than one who is so desperate to push his own agenda to make people fear gays, fear having gays around their children because as you believe, all pedophiles are homosexuals? How does this support your claim that you are not narrow minded?

    No one has come up with conclusive evidence as to what causes homosexuality. Even the homosexuals do not know. We just accept it and live our lives while ducking between people like you hurtling biased opinions and propaganda that is devoid of fact. We are not born with a "physical and / or mental desire to not be with or attracted to opposite sex". You have it backwards and I think you did it on purpose because it does make a difference. The way you word it makes it sound like we separate ourselves from the opposite sex completely. Not true. The only thing we do not share with the opposite sex is sex. That's it. Other than that we can still love the opposite sex, create good and lasting bonds and have wonderful friendships with them. From birth to puberty we develop into our desires to be with the same sex. Just like from birth to puberty heterosexuals develop into their desires to be with the opposite sex. This does not mean we develop a desire to stay away from the opposite sex, it simply means we develop a desire to be with the same sex. The opposite sex just never awakens a desire within us to be with them sexually.

    You formed an uneducated opinion while viewing a population that was locked away from society and have over generalized it to an entire community of people along with mixing two distinctly different classes of people together as one. Just because the prison housed them together, does not mean they are the same. When places allow for co-eds to be together does that mean all the people in them suddenly go all male or all female?

    "There is a problem and it does not benefit the human species to reproduce or procreate offspring. "
    Are you people still on this kick?? Seriously? Are we in danger of being extinct? The billions of people on this planet now with more coming everyday are not enough? There are people starving in this word because there's not enough food to feed everyone and all you can worry about is if homosexuals can procreate or not? THIS is a priority to you? This thinking of yours does not support your claim that you are not narrow minded. You just promote and push the same tired rhetoric that has been out there for centuries.

    "I am all for homosexuals adopting kids to have their own family."
    Even though they are pedophiles according to you? Stop flip flopping. Pick one side of the debate to stand on. According to you, homosexuals are pedophiles yet you are all for them adopting kids? If I believed that all homosexuals doubled as pedophiles, I'd be dead set against them adopting kids. If I believed that homosexual parents made the children they raised homosexual, then I might understand the argument used against the idea of allowing gays to adopt. But seeing as it's the heterosexuals who give birth to homosexuals and they are still allowed to be parents, then I can not see a problem in allowing same sex couples to adopt the children heterosexuals gave birth to and abandoned.

    If you support gay and lesbian rights then you need to drop the thinking that hurts the community. The thinking that pedophiles are homosexuals. Somehow you need to expand your mind to understand this. The top leading psychiatrist in the world will tell you the same. Homosexuals and pedophiles are not the same class of people.

    Homosexuality is not a lifestyle. Heterosexuality is not a lifestyle. A lifestyle is something you choose, something that you add to your life that was not always there like drinking, using drugs, prostitution, all these are examples of a lifestyle. All choices made, not desires born into them. It's the homosexual life, just like it's the heterosexual life. No choice, just they are what they are.

    I personally do not worry about what causes homosexuality. The only people who worry about where it comes from are the ones who can not accept it. They want a cure found because they think homosexuals should be cured. I laugh at them. It is they who need to be cured. Cured of their sexual instability, religious sickness or created fears. Homosexuality exists because God allows it to exist. Understand God and why God does things and THEN you'll understand homosexuality. God created the different to teach people how to accept and love unconditionally as He does. He give us the different to learn how to get along and not judge and not hurl personal opinions that harm others. He wants us to open our minds and expand our intelligence so that we can be more like Him, our creator who loves unconditionally and allows us to be free.
    I find seeing two heterosexuals have sex sickening but I can hardly avoid it since it's promoted everywhere. It's always there, no matter where I look, the agenda of heterosexual sex so full of itself, so egotistical and so lacking in God's love.

    Colleen, sorry i offended you. The prison i retired from had quite a few  homosexuals .  Yes ,it was absolutely funny to observe some poor child molester homosexual rolling on the ground and crying because somebody stole his pink panties out of his locker. Our six friends that died from aids wish they were never that way. My guess these sex offending homosexuals in prison wished the same way. You know what i never have seen is an angry gay person. They ,from what i have ever seen , are happy go lucky people. Our six friends owned three very successful floral shops in Kansas. They were the best. everybody knew they were gay, and enjoyed going in and giving their business to them. They were a pleasure to be around. Narrow minded , ok. But i guarantee you dont know gay porn until you have seen it  like i have in a prison, and have to break it apart.  All the crying going on because we had to stop the party, and split them up again.Yes it was nasty and sick.  I can tell you that all most all the gays in prison have a sexually transmitted disease, its because of their habits. Have you seen the movie con-air. The gay black kid , its just like that as you see him. They get their panties in a tight wad all the time.

    metal face

    Not all child molesters are homosexuals.They ARE all sociopaths.Working in prison can jade people.Prisons are full of racist, homophobic narrow minded bigots on BOTH sides of the bars !!!!
    Colleen

    Moderator
    "Child molester homosexuals"...

    1) Homosexuals are homosexual, men who love men. Child molesters are pedophiles, men who like children. They are not gay, they are sexual perverts attracted to children sometimes not even caring about the sex of the child just as long as it's prepubescent or pubescent. Once the child is through puberty, the pedophile looses interest.

    2) Concerning the panties bit. Transsexuals (or prison created transsexuals), like feminine clothing, they typically are not homosexual, they more often than not are straight men who like to dress as women, it's a fetish or something forced on them by an aggressive cellmate.

    3) As for gay porn, it is not reflective of the true homosexual relationship, just as straight porn is not a true representation of the straight relationships. Also if you check into it, you will find that a lot of the "actors" in porn movies are straight people playing gays, that's why they are actors. Most made for TV or on screen movies about homosexuals are made with straight people playing the gay or lesbian roles. These movies do not reflect the true homosexual life either. Now apply this to your prison scenario and remember, many men will get sex whenever, where ever they can. Straight men will have sex with men in prison if that's the only way they can get it. I've seen the documentaries and the men themselves will tell you this. The majority of gay men are not like you have depicted them in your recanting of your prison time. Again, you speak of pedophiles and trannys. Mostly they are men in a society separate of the society they once knew surviving the only way they can within the rules and guidelines created by the dominant, aggressive prisoners and quite possibly even the guards. Not a true reflection of the human culture outside of prison walls. You closed your mind to these men as human beings and now you do the same with those who are not even criminals. You are lumping your time with outcasts of society with everyone else and misrepresenting homosexuals by deeming people who are not homosexuals, gay just because you painted a fake picture of homosexuals in your mind. You are a shallow person and very narrow minded.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Thank you metal face I appreciate what you said I just need to add this...
    Please keep in mind, no child molester is a homosexual. Typically a pedophile leads a quite normal heterosexual life with a wife and children. I would not call them heterosexual though. I call them pedophiles. I do not place them with any sexuality other than their own perverted sexuality that makes them drawn to young children. People need to educate themselves to the fact that pedophilia is in no way homosexuality.
    Ann

    Metalface, I agree with you.
    Yvonne57

    Moderator
    ALL child molesters are pedophiles. Whether they are male or female, gay or straight. Label them all you want. My label for a molester is pedophile not gay. For goodness sakes. yvonne57

    I appreciate and thank you for your submissions , it will be very useful. .

    What is it that you dont understand. These were homosexuals to begin with. They decided to explore their horizon on children. Thus making the homosexuals, pedophiles. Massach, is a whlole different world than calif. I dont care what another dr. said, what i experienced was what i went through. A large group of homosexuals that turned to children for satisfaction. There were other child molesters there that were not homosexuals, Most of them white , and older white males. You say all child molesters are not homosexuals. But the 85 there in that wing were. People research disorders to find a cause to understand the meaning . What the hell is wrong with that.Here is a web site you might understand at you level. It says a pedophile can be homosexual. There is no reason to believe homosexuals are attracted to children but to only expand their world.The APA supports gay and lesbian rights for the same reasons i do. Your defense of homosexuals is weak , they do turn to children also because they cannot or not capable of adult relationships. Most homosexuals are capable of these adult relationships therefore wont search out children, the exception the ones that were in prison. If you think im narrow minded your defense and statement of homosexuals cannnot pedophiles reflects more. The only experience you have here is your lifestyle , mine is experience. Good conversation though. Makes people think. Thank you for the attention ,


    http://www.kristensguide.com/Activism/Human_Rights/homosexuality.asp


     


     


     

    Colleen

    Moderator
    "A large group of homosexuals that turned to children for satisfaction."

    They were not homosexuals. They were pedophiles who showed their true selves. What are you not getting in this?

    "I dont care what another dr. said"

    You should, he's been to school and made a life out of studying it. You have no even though you "claim" you have a doctorate. I do not believe you do. Your viewpoint is too narrow for you to hold a doctorate.

    "There were other child molesters there that were not homosexuals, Most of them white , and older white males."

    I see you shied away from calling them heterosexuals, like you would taint the heterosexual community by calling them such. Protect your own while you attack another. Typical narrow minded thinking.

    "People research disorders to find a cause to understand the meaning . What the hell is wrong with that."

    Homosexuals do not have a disorder. They have a different sexuality than you. It is not a disorder and it has no reason to be corrected or changed. It is a sexuality and a life. No disorder about it. Humanity is in no danger of becoming extinct due to homosexuality so there's not even a threat attached to the sexuality. Stop wasting time and money on research. Spend money on research for how to get food and water to starving people who are dying because there's too many people in this world.

    The website is wrong. Homosexuals are attracted to same sex adults. Pedophiles are attracted to children, in some cases the sex of the child does not matter. Either or, they take them both.

    Heterosexual men are more in danger of being pedophiles because heterosexual men have trouble distinguishing age barriers when they find themselves attracted to a female. Many hetero men are extremely attracted to pubescent females. Google these facts. Get some real research going.

    "Your defense of homosexuals is weak , they do turn to children also because they cannot or not capable of adult relationships."

    My defense of homosexuals is weak? Which part of it? So far nothing you've said has eradicated anything I've said. You just keep creating more junk with no facts to back it up. Your facts are false. What the heck possess you to thinking you can push an uneducated comment such as some homosexuals are incapable of adult relationships so they turn to kids? If this were true then the same can be said for heterosexuals who turn to kids and all facts out there prove the greatest percentage of pedophiles are white heterosexual men. Again I ask, should I hold heterosexuals responsible for pedophiles?
    What is the fight for gay marriage all about? Do you see gays pushing that they want to marry children or do you see gays saying they want to marry their ADULT partner? Your ignorance becomes more and more astounding the more you type. You need to quit now before there's no going back. You are making an absolute fool out of yourself.

    Pedophiles are attracted to children. Pedophilia IS their sexuality! Homosexuality is NOT.

    Dude, a few years working in the prison system is NOT experience. Living the gay life is.

    Your own narrow thinking keeps you from hearing my words that a lifestyle is something you choose to add to your life. Homosexuality is not a choice, it is a life, not a lifestyle. I explained this before. Your narrow mindedness keeps you calling it a lifestyle. Just keep proving me right zorro.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Are you a Christian? Because you cherry pick like a lot of Christians do.
    Concerning the link you gave to me prove your points, here is what I found. Seems you cherry picked this and used only the bit that you thought would give credit to your argument.

    "Pedophiles can be homosexual or heterosexual. A homosexual is not a pedophile just because he/she is homosexual. Most homosexuals are not pedophiles, just as most heterosexuals are not pedophiles."

    You keep tossing out that "Pedophiles are homosexual" and keep missing the rest of it.."or heterosexual".

    What this write up misses pointing out is that pedophilia is neither heterosexual nor homosexual. It is pedophilia, it's own sexuality.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Let me see if I can clear this up for you this way. Those pedophiles in prison still need sexual release. Since there are no children in prison, they are forced to turn to adult males to get some sort of sexual release but I bet they find that release lacking because it comes from men and not from children. Put them back on the streets and they will avoid men and go back to children because of their pedophile nature/sexuality. They are no longer having homosexual sex, they are having pedophile sex which is their sexuality.

    The same is true for heterosexual men in prison who are forced to have sex with men to find their sexual release. Put them back on the streets and they will revert back to their natural sexuality and avoid sex with men and seek sex with women.

    The same holds true for heterosexual women who are forced to have sex with women in prison to obtain sexual gratification. Put them back on the street and they will revert back to sex with men and avoid sex with women.

    Your "prison homosexuals turned pedophile" were always pedophiles, never homosexuals. Pedophiles are not attracted to adults and homosexuals are not attracted to children. This is never a case of someone just seeking a new sex thrill. This is a case of a person coming into the realization that they are neither heterosexual nor homosexual, they are a pedophile. I have this same argument with the group of men from NAMBLA who call themselves homosexuals but prefer only pubescent boys. Their thought is, as soon as a child sprouts it's first pubic hair, he is an adult. I tell them the same thing, they are NOT homosexuals. Even Wiki-pedia lists them as pedophiles and not homosexuals. They are criminals and I cheer every time one is incarcerated. They should be sent to prison for life because pedophilia is not treatable and is harmful to children. The LBGT fights hard against NAMBLA and it's push for rights. The homosexual community has nothing to do with these men who claim themselves homosexual and prey on young boys. They are NOT homosexual. They are pedophiles! If you have a pedophile telling you he is a homosexual, then you are only aiding his agenda to legalize man/boy relationships by attacking an innocent community. Go after and decry pedophilia and the men of NAMBLA. Do not go after the homosexual community and claim pedophiles are homosexual because they are not and we fight against those false homosexuals that you are believing.


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