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    Where in any bible can I find the expression "God the Son"

    Why is this a serious question for all those claiming to be Christians?
    Misrepresentation is a serious enough crime in any judicial system. People who are caught practicing it often loose wealth, liberty, and credibility. Happily I am not a judge.
    Throughout the scriptures Jesus is only referred to as the 'Son of God' Never 'God the Son.'
    My information is that it was the unbaptized Pontifex Maximus Constantine called the Great who presided over the ecumenical council of Nicaea in the year 325AD. He was known to be a Sun worshiper and it was claimed that he had a vision of a fiery cross and the words in Latin By this sign you will conquer.


    While you are considering this, Can anyone tell me where in the bible Jesus or any of the Apostles made Reference to to trinity?

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    FriendofGod

    "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." (Matt 7)

    schubee

    It's only English translation, don't play with words.

    bestway

    You two bright sparks need to follow your own council. Why do you follow the decrees and dogma handed down by the Roman ecumenicals Mr FOG? These were people intent on power, wealth and world domination. Even the Catholic encyclopedia admits that there was a great struggle with the Arian Bishops who were supporting the political struggles of the Visigoths who no doubt with good reason were bitterly opposed to the Romans and their brutality. It is all there and much more in the online encyclopedias.

    So why do you falsely accuse others of things that never occurred to them? Is that not Satan's work Mr Fog? So tell me please are you a DP?

    Now the pagan Roman who presided over these councils was no other than the Pontifex Maximus Constantine styled the Great,
    a title shared by the Caesars Rome. Please put Ponifex Maximus in your browser everybody and follow it through.

    Now Constantine worshiped the Sun God Sol on a Sunday. (So lets make Sunday the new Sabbath and we will call Gods son, God the son. The illiterate peasants will not understand the difference
    and if we repeat the lie often enough it will not matter anyway because everybody will believe it and we will control themand frighten them with threats to their imortal sould which they do not know they do not have.)

    And that Mr Schubee is why it is so important to know the difference between God the Father and his faithful and obedient Son Jesus.

    Now this bit of detective work was first discovered over 100 years ago. So I do not claim to be the first to work it out.
    I just worked it out a different way.




    17 Answers

    Matthew 4:3 (ASV)
    3 And the tempter came and said unto him, If thou art the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.


    Matthew 4:6 (ASV)
    6 and saith unto him, If thou art the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and, On their hands they shall bear thee up, lest haply thou dash thy foot against a stone.


    Matthew 5:9 (ASV)
    9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called sons of God.


    Matthew 14:33 (ASV)
    33 And they that were in the boat worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.


    Matthew 16:16 (ASV)
    16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.


    Matthew 26:63 (ASV)
    63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou art the Christ, the Son of God.


    Matthew 27:40 (ASV)
    40 and saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself: if thou art the Son of God, come down from the cross.


    Matthew 27:43 (ASV)
    43 He trusteth on God; let him deliver him now, if he desireth him: for he said, I am the Son of God.


    Matthew 27:54 (ASV)
    54 Now the centurion, and they that were with him watching Jesus, when they saw the earthquake, and the things that were done, feared exceedingly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.


    Mark 1:1 (ASV)
    1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.


    Mark 3:11 (ASV)
    11 And the unclean spirits, whensoever they beheld him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.


    Mark 5:7 (ASV)
    7 and crying out with a loud voice, he saith, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the Most High God? I adjure thee by God, torment me not.


    Mark 15:39 (ASV)
    39 And when the centurion, who stood by over against him, saw that he so gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.


    Luke 1:32 (ASV)
    32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Most High: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:


    Luke 1:35 (ASV)
    35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God.


    Luke 3:2 (ASV)
    2 in the highpriesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.


    Luke 3:38 (ASV)
    38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

    leeroy

    Yep, just Son of GOd

    The Watch Tower. Just what are they watching for? It seems they are watching their followers, making sure they do not step out of line. I am surprised you are allowed to post here Bestway, does the Watch Tower know you are speaking on a community board about biblical doctrines? Careful, or you might just be converted. Why do you think they don't want you engaging in Christian debate? Think about it.

    bestway

    That certainly is not holy spirit guiding you foggy.

    I feel for you Bestway. THe only thing I can tell you is to please research the facts for yourself. I have never allowed any pastor or church or any other organization tell me what I should believe. I listen, I research, I pray and I let the scripture simply say what it says.


    I could go back and forth with you providing scripture after scripture but you will simply believe what you ahve been told to believe. The difference between you and I is that my church and family allows me to believe as I want without consequence. You are not allowed to question nor reject what you have been taught without consequences from those you love.


    I can tell you this Bestway, any religion that uses any form of threats to keep one from leaving the religion is a phoney religion. Cults threaten their people, even if it is done with subtleness. Even those who call themselves Christian and there are many cults that rob the name Christian, KKK calls themselves Christian.


    True Christians worship Jesus Christ. And no, it is not proper to worship any other God but the One true God of the bible, Jehovah.


    Exd 20:2 ¶ I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Exd 20:3 ¶ Thou shalt have no other gods before me.


    Isa 42:8 I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.


    Rev 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.


    But you do not consider the scriptures, you are comfortable and safe right where you are. To believe Jesus is God as the scriptures overwhelmingly proclaim would cause you pain and rejection of those you have come to trust and love. I'm very sorry you must live under those circumstances. Pray you can break free, God will help you.


    I have one question for you Bestway; Is Jesus Christ in you?

    FriendofGod

    "Thou shall have no other gods before Me"


    Why do you worship another god, Jesus?

    bestway

    I have no argument with any of those scriptures.
    I do worship Jehovah as opposed to the false trinity God of Christendom.

    bestway

    28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone. 1 Corinthians 15: 24


    Yet another proof that even after the thousand year reign is ended Gods son loyal son humbly subect himelf to his father. All the same firm foggy

    Here is another passage that declares the truth of the matter....


    "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life." (1Jo 5)


    Christains are in the Father and in the Son, this is the true God, and eternal life.

    FriendofGod

    One God in three persons, Father-Son-Holy Ghost. If you are not a CHristian you cannot understand this or believe it. Nor can you understand or believe Jesus was born of a virgin, or Jesus was raised from the dead and seen by over 500 people.


    Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. If you want to understand anything of God you must want to learn and seek Him in His word, the bible.

    Laurie Bean

    God is NOT three persons....he is God in three different forms. He is one

    PEOPLELOVER

    MORE CONFUSED THAN EVER IS GOD GOD OR IS JESUS GOD? JUST A PLAIN UNCOMPLCATED YES TO WHICH IS CORRECT DON`T RAMBLE IT HURTS MY POOR OLD BRAIN.

    You will not find the term "Trinity" nor will you read the expression "God the Son". These are phrases used by Christians to convey the truths that are discribed within the Word of God.


    John 1:1-14 makes it crystal clear that Jesus, whom is called the "Word of God" is Eternal, is God and became flesh.


    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


    "And the four beasts had each of them six wings about [him]; and [they were] full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. (Rev 4:8) .........Jesus was, Jesus is, and Jesus is to come.


    "(For the life was manifested, and we have seen [it], and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) (1John 1:2)


    John had seen Jesus, that eternal life, which was with the Father.


    There are just two many like scriptures to list here. Anyone willing to study the scriptures will easily see that Jesus Christ is God the Son. And will see that there are Three who bear record in heaven, and these Three are One.


    "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isa 9:6)


    I could fill pages with these proofs.

    bestway

    Well there you are, it says mighty God as opposed to the Almighty God
    Your proofs are founded on lack of accurate knowledge

    Thank you leeroy we are both agree Jesus is the son of God. Never 'God the son.'


    I note you use the American Standard version. Well done!

    THIS QUESTION DOESNT MATTER BECAUSE JESUS SAID 'I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE'!!!

    FriendofGod

    Does it matter? Well, it could in some ways. We are told to not have any other gods before God. God alone is to be worshipped and will not give this worship to any other. So if one believes Jesus is not God then they would be in violation of the First Commandment if they praise and worship Jesus in prayer, or song, or supplications. This is why the Jews understood perfectly well that Jesus was claiming to be God by saying He was the Son of God and wanted Him killed for blasphemy. You do not here of any Christians worshipping Paul or John. But we worship Jesus Christ, because we worship God.

    PEOPLELOVER

    SO YOU ARE INFERRING YOUR SO CALLED GOD IS NOT AS POWERFUL AS AT FIRST BELIEVED, JESUS HAS USURPED HIM? TO SAY THE QUESTION DOESNT MATTER IS TWISTING TO SUIT. OF COURSE IT MATTERS OR ELSE IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ASKED. "YOU CAN FOOL SOME OF THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME BUT YOU CANT FOOL ALL OF THE ALL OF THE TIME"

    bestway

    (Luke 1:30-33) . . .So the angel said to her: “Have no fear, Mary, for you have found favor with God; 31 and, look! you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. 32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.”


    Now if Jesus or claimes to be God that would make two MOST High,s Three Most Highs if you want to make it a trinity

    Bible Background Commentary - 2Co 13:14 2 Corinthians 13:14
    5:18. Because Jesus appears to usurp prerogatives solely attributed to God (John 5:17—the right to work on the sabbath), his hearers think that he thereby claims a position equal to that of God, a claim that naturally sounds blasphemous to them. Second-century rabbis accused many Jewish Christians of believing in two gods. One could “annul” a biblical law by disregarding it, so they feel that Jesus is (literally) “destroying” the sabbath.

    No Problem still checking under trinity, here's a quote for everyoneGOD, OMNISCIENCE OF
    »Topic Contents »Old Illust. #1982
    4570. To Comprehend God
    John Wesley said: "Bring me a worm that can comprehend a man, and then I will show you a man that can comprehend the Triune God!"
    Never try to arouse faith from within. You cannot stir up faith from the depths of your heart. Leave your heart, and look into the face of Christ.
    —Andrew Murray


    Encyclopedia of 15,000 Illustrations: Signs of the Times.

    Where oh where did Bestway go???

    Why has Bestway abandoned his own question??


    Bestway, do you believe Jesus is God?


    What was the purpose of your question? To prove Jesus is not God?

    Another proof from the scriptures that Jesus is God the Son is when Thomas believes and becomes born-again...


    "And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: [then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace [be] unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." (John 20) WOW!

    PEOPLELOVER

    WOW! friend of god THREW THE CAT AMONG THE PIGEONS WITH THAT DISCLOSURE. NOW I FIND THAT THE RELIGIOUS GROUP CAN`T AGREE ON YET ANOTHER SUBJECT. "NO HE IS NOT GOD THE SON" " HANG ON YES HE IS"

    Yes I have had endless difficulty in hacking into my own site.


    I can answer your questions with two scriptures:


    Phil 2 5 Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. 8 More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake. 9 For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.


    So it is quite proper to worship or do obeisance to Jesus as Jehovah's anointed King because the Soveign Lord Jehovah has comanded it. Thomas was quite right when he said My Lord My God for that is what he is.


    Secondly Hebrews 1
    For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: “You are my son; I, today, I have become your father”? And again: “I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son”? 6 But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.”


    So even the angels are commanded to do worship and obey Jesus as Gods annointed King.
    Now I asked a simple straitforward quetion, Where in the bible or where in any bible can i find an expression God the Son. The only honest man among you did his home work and turned up 20 proofs that the Bible only uses the expression Son of God. But then you lot went into fits of slander and abuse, in fact the same sort of mental attude that caused Satans demise. Is that to be your judgement gentlemen? or will there be more arrogant abuse?

    FriendofGod

    Bestway,


    These scriptures do not answer the question at all. Your religion has made Jesus another god. Therefore by your own admission you are breaking Jehovah's commandment to have no other gods before Him. You worship the god Jesus. It is really quite ironic that the very twisting of John 1 by the Watch Tower to make Jesus another god, and then telling their followers to worship this other god, is actually teaching their followers to break God's commandment.


    To the contrary, Christians worship Jehovah when they worship Jesus, thus not breaking God's commandment of no other gods.

    Mitchell

    Is it possible for you to use a Bible translation that wasn't produced by your religion, at least while on an open forum. You can use whatever you want in private. But when you use it here, others that haven't studied may not easily see the subtle errors.


    The Bible doesn't provide us two Gods, you do that. Jesus says, "He who has seen Me has seen the Father.


    There are many scripture that are clear on Jesus being one with the Father, and many that speak of another comforter, but you with your twisted translation won't accept anything but your man made translation.

    Mitchell

    I know you have your own twist to this, but it says what is says, in every translation but yours; you are one that comprehended it not:


    John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. The same was in the beginning with God. ALL things were made by him; and without him WAS NOT ANY THING MADE that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness COMPREHENDED IT NOT.

    Testing web site

    The prophet Isaiah calls Jesus a mighty God


    6 For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. 7 To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of justice and by means of righteousness, from now on and to time indefinite. The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.


    There are many Gods in the bible


    Bible Citations
    (Exodus 7:1-25) Consequently Jehovah said to Moses: “See, I have made you God to Phar?aoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet.


    Sure Jesus is a God but he is not the Almighty God See psalms 83v 18

    FriendofGod

    Good question brother Mitchell. Why do you worship two gods Bestway?

    Mitchell

    So there are two Gods? How do you know which one to worship? Why is having a dualistic religion with two separate Gods better than the triune God comprised of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? I'm going to stick with what is obvious in God's Word.

    (Hebrews 1:1-6) . . .God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, 2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. 3 He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places. 4 So he has become better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs. 5 For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: “You are my son; I, today, I have become your father”? And again: “I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son”? 6 But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.”


    (Philippians 2:5-11) . . .Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. 8 More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake. 9 For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.


    Ah! but the scripture calls Jesus a mighty God as opposed to almighty God. Jesus was not co eternal because he died, and God raised him from the dead. Thomas rightly recognized his recognized his Lord as a mighty God and Jehovah confirmed it at Hebrew 1: 5


    Proof that Jesus is God's son but not God the Son, and yes it is proper to give him worship.
    Bestway lost the thread and has only just found it again
    No, I believe Jesus is the Son of God. As opposed to Constantine doctrine God the Son or Sun
    According to Philippians Jesus himself would be mortified at the suggestion.


    Ok I apologize to my readers for losing the thread also the comments are not posting as they should so I have had to copy and paste. I will open a new thread another time. Look out for should you believe in a trinity and watch for the skin and hair flying.


    Good night people!

    Thank you leeroy but you got it right the first time. Your ASV did not let you down.


    Never does scripture refer to 'God the son.' It is always the Son of God.
    and is does not matter what man says whether it was John Wesley of some crafty old Rabbi
    Remember it was the rabbis that conspired to put Jesus to death.


    I take my stand along with 7.5 million of my Christian colleagues
    (Romans 3:4) . . .But let God be found true, though every man be found a liar,. . .


    Now the Jews falsely accused Jesus of making himself equal with God, but it was not so.
    This is what Paul has to say to the Philippians in chapter 2


    Bible Citations


    Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. 8 More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake. 9 For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.


    Ok I do not want you to start pulling your hair out looking for triune's and Trinities that are not there. Now I have just had a look at my ASV and it is harder to read in the older translation, but I think if you compare the two translation you will begin to see where I am coming from. Jesus absolutely refuted the notion that he was equal to God. But he did exist with God before he was transferred by Holy Spirit to the womb of the Jewish virgin Mary.


    I am going to halt here because it is quite late on my side of the pond.

    good_loveforu

    Heloo and how are u doing Today


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