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    Do you like John Lennon?

    I love his music and the Beatles and I think many of you do as well. But what do you think about his remarks of christianity, anti-war activities and free spirited life?

    +1  Views: 698 Answers: 12 Posted: 12 years ago
    Ms Sinclair

    Hey schubee-I love your new avatar. I almost picked Beethoven myself (although I was thinking of one where he was younger).
    schubee

    Thank you, Ms Sinclair. I wouldn't mind if you had a same avatar :)
    I'm glad there is someone here who shares same interest!

    12 Answers

    Icant IMAGINE not liking him.
    ms. sinclair:

    ok ... at first the comment wouldn't go through. i wrote a long comment.

    then i pushed the wrong button. : ( let me know if it got corrected. i sent a note to "contact"

    now after all that whoop i just want to say i think you got it just right. the world is different now and sadly john lennon wouldn't be understood.

    paul was the cutey pie. the sweetie. JOHN WAS THE MAN.

    thanks, itsmee

    Ms Sinclair

    I don't think I lost any karma points. It says you thanked me for my answer and there's an x next to that but it doesn't mention any points. P.S.- I think they're both very talented but John was THE MAN.
    McCartney carried the Beatles,not Lennon. The latter was the darling of the hippy media because he personified the laid-back, groovy "intellectual" spirit that they (hippies) believed was exclusive to their ilk. Hey man, he wore cool glasses, so he must be "with it", man. Sickening !
    As with JFK, he was beatified upon his martyrdom.
    McCartney wrote most of their monster hits.
    schubee

    How's your friend, stugatz?
    digger

    I'll make sure I ask him the next time I see him.
    Ms Sinclair

    McCartney carried The Beatles and not Lennon? That's probably one of the most ridiculous comments that I have ever heard. First of all, they wrote many songs together. Secondly, John wrote many great songs himself. Just because YOU don't like him for whatever reasons, doesn't mean he wasn't a great songwriter
    mycatsmom

    I agree with you, Sinclair. Digger doesn't know what he's talking about. He's just talking off the top of his head.
    John Lennon was simply a man of PEACE!
    MsSinclair wrote:
    McCartney carried The Beatles and not Lennon? That's probably one of the most ridiculous comments that I have ever heard.

    Well maybe "carried" is a bit over the top but ridiculous...,I don't think so.
    You've forced me to do a little research (luckily,I have lots of time on my hands these days;-)) I won't release it all just yet because that would make this string too long for any readers liking. But here is one statistic that may surprise you.
    Of the 30 or so # 1 hits recorded by the Beatles,19 of them were WRITTEN exclusively by either John or Paul. John wrote 8 while Paul wrote 11. 23 of the #1 hits were SUNG exclusively by either one or the other.John sung 11, Paul sung 12.

    Here is a list of # 1 songs that were written AND sung exclusively by one or the other:

    John Total 7:
    All you need is love
    Come together
    I feel fine
    Rain
    Revolution
    Ballad of John and you know who
    You can't do that

    Paul Total 9:
    Can't buy me love
    Hello,Goodbye
    Hey Jude
    Lady Madonna
    Let it be
    Paperback writer
    Penny Lane
    Yesterday
    The long and winding road

    I rest my case.


    Ms Sinclair

    You call that resting your case? Sorry pal. I don't think so. A great song can't be determined simply by whether or not it went to number one on the charts. Otherwise, many of the crappy songs on the charts now would outrank better songs both old and new. Plus, many great Beatle songs were never released as singles in the first place. P.S.- With regard to your comment about John's "giving it all to charity bit" you do realize that that is a line from a Paul McCartney song, don't you? Btw- I know for a fact that John gave to many charities and also performed benefit concerts (one of which I myself attended). He didn't just do bed-ins for peace. I don't know if you are aware of it or not (because I have no idea how old you are) but be-ins for peace, love, etc. were commonplace during the 60's. He did a bed-in because he had just gotten married and he rightfully thought that it would draw more attention to the issue.
    digger

    MsSinclair, Only my non-pals call me pal so you can call me digger.
    I didn't say #1 status was the ONLY indicator of song greatness.Did you expect me to rate EVERY song on their playlist? Why downplay the impact that their #1 hits had on their glorious accomplishment?

    "With regard to your comment about John's "giving it all to charity bit" you do realize that that is a line from a Paul McCartney song, don't you?"

    Paul McCartney wrote "the ballad of John and Yoko"?
    I'm only surprised that you credit Paul for it.

    "Btw- I know for a fact that John gave to many charities and also performed benefit concerts "

    Great. Like I said, that's his business. I'm sure the other beatles did the same. They just did it without the fanfare.

    "He did a bed-in because he had just gotten married and he rightfully thought that it would draw more attention to the issue."

    Drawing attention by posing for the cameras in a hotel room. The symbolism being ? Draft dodging? That would require getting one's a$$ OUT OF bed and hightailing to Canada. Maybe that's why he honeymooned in Montreal.(P>S. I picked up Relic and will let you know once read, as requested;-) )



    digger

    MsSinclair, Only my non-pals call me pal so you can call me digger.
    I didn't say #1 status was the ONLY indicator of song greatness.Did you expect me to rate EVERY song on their playlist? Why downplay the impact that their #1 hits had on their glorious accomplishment?

    "With regard to your comment about John's "giving it all to charity bit" you do realize that that is a line from a Paul McCartney song, don't you?"

    Paul McCartney wrote "the ballad of John and Yoko"?
    I'm only surprised that you credit Paul for it.

    "Btw- I know for a fact that John gave to many charities and also performed benefit concerts "

    Great. Like I said, that's his business. I'm sure the other beatles did the same. They just did it without the fanfare.

    "He did a bed-in because he had just gotten married and he rightfully thought that it would draw more attention to the issue."

    Drawing attention by posing for the cameras in a hotel room. The symbolism being ? Draft dodging? That would require getting one's a$$ OUT OF bed and hightailing to Canada. Maybe that's why he honeymooned in Montreal.(P>S. I picked up Relic and will let you know once read, as requested;-) )



    His comments about The Beatles being more popular than Christ were taken out of context if that's what you're referring to. As for being anti-war, I think that the only people who are pro-war are: a) those who never fought in one, b) those who lust for power and covet what other nations have, or c)those who have psychological problems. I don't believe that most people think that war is a great thing. As for being free-spirited, what's wrong with that? It's much better than being a brainwashed slave.
    itsmee

    wooops! i reported you for saying the wrong words. i'll go and correct it right now.
    I do not like John Lennon (rip) I didn't like his hippy outlook on life, he was a dreamer, he was not a realist. His world was all white, the real world is not. He IMO is the grandfather of liberalism. I likes most of his music though, not a great musician but a great song writer.
    Ms Sinclair

    He probably would have balked at you calling him a liberal. Liberals tend to sit on the fence without taking a really strong position on anything. Of course there are exceptions to this but by and large I think that this holds true. And what do you mean by "His world was all white"? Listen to "Working Class Hero" and tell me he wasn't a realist.
    digger

    Sitting on the fence,eh? I recall an interview with John where he commented on his "giving it all to charity" bit. I'm paraphrasing here but what he said was that "we often thing about giving it all to charity but days go by,then weeks,then years and before you know it, you just never get around to it,you know?"

    Now, I don't know whether John ever gave generously to charity or not. Frankly.that's his business.What I do resent, is that unlike Paul, he did lots of talking and little walking.If lying in bed at the Queen Elizabeth Hotel in Montreal with the Beatle-buster ONO is what one considers "doing something" then we have different definitions of the word. Hypocrisy is one word that comes to mind.
    Vinny

    ms. Sinclair, 'His world was all white' meaning that he looks at the perfect world of utopia as his ongoing goal. 'The perfect world' This is not to say he didn't realize what was going on around him. With all the wars, hunger and the poor, his way of thinking is, lay down your arms, feed the hungry and give to the poor. Where this sounds wonderful, its not realistic when you have people in this world that would love to see us lay down our arms so they can kill us, feed the hungry in the world when we have so many needy here in the USA and many of the poor prefer to remain this way--

    Who was it that said: "The way to avoid war is to prepare for war."

    I could go on with this but, I am finding my responsibilities at work are getting in my way.. :)
    mycatsmom

    Vinny, Lennon SAID he was a dreamer, like you accused him of being. He said it in his lyrics to Imagine.
    Ms Sinclair

    The world would include the U.S.A. He envisioned a world where EVERYONE laid down their arms, not just some people. Preparing for war never avoided any war that I can think of. P.S.- I don't who you've talked to but I don't know anyone that wants to be poor.
    Vinny

    Ms Sinclair-- You haven't been to the places i have been, believe me, they're are millions of people that prefer to be poor. They're an old Christian saying.. "God must love the poor, he made so many of them.." Also, how can you be so sure that 'preparing for war avoided war?" I can think of one right now! Cuban Crisis.. If this isn't a clear identification of this then i don't know what is.. I could name a few others.. The one VERY big one is the 'cold war' due to facts that both super powers were prepared for a nuclear Holocaust we nevr did 'have a go at it.." We are having a standoff right now with N. Korea and Iran, you can bet your pants that is we were not prepared we would be in their hands.

    this John Lennon was a dreamer, he dreamed of what we all dream about, yes his song 'Imagine' is a clear indication of his dream but once again, its not real! You have people out there that don't even know who John Lennon is, they want you dead. They do not respect your God, nor your pacifist ways, they simply want you dead for their own ignorant reasons.. You can not put flowers in their gun barrels, this is real! 'Be prepared'! Even the boy scouts know that one! I am not a gun person, I don't even own a gun but I want a strong military that will stand in front of me with their terrible guns to protect me and my family, because.. I know the bad guys are prepared.. we better be too. John Lennon had nearly disrupted this country into third world stupidity. I would never wish for war and killing on either side but unfortunately, our enemies do not think like John Lennon or you, or me for that matter.. they simply ant us dead. we are infidels. Pray as you desire but Jesus is not going to help you, nor would John Lennon in his white robe..

    Lets try to be realistic.. he sang about it and he lived it, he wa a dreamer of utopia.. it does not exist and we are stuck with it.. perhaps if the apple was left on the tree, we would not all be punished for it today.
    mycatsmom likes Lennon because " I loved his looks, his accent , his style,his intellligence, his singing voice, his speaking voice..."

    Like I wrote "...(Lennon)was the darling of the hippy media because he personified the laid-back, groovy "intellectual" spirit that they (hippies) believed was exclusive to their ilk. Hey man, he wore cool glasses, so he must be "with it", man.
    VASTLY OVERATED
    He was cool guy, but his remarks devaluated his cooling
    I loved his looks, his accent , his style,his intellligence, his singing voice, his speaking voice, and many othe attributes about him. I"m speaking mainly of the young, early John Lennon.

    No, I didn't like his remarks about Jesus; nor did I like how he was not a good father to Julian. I didn't like his drug use and alchoholism. I didn't like how he treated Cynthia.I didn't like his heavy smoking.
    i can't post tonight.


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