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    Ban muslim travel to US..?????????

    Has Donald Trump hit the nail on the head..is he right,can they be identified..??????Trump does seem to be a cut above politicians..But i am an Aussie,,what do Americans think of him..>>>>>>><<<<<<<<..http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/  ""

    +11  Views: 1587 Answers: 11 Posted: 3 years ago
    lindilou

    .... and he's OUT!
    clu

    I'm wondering if residents of USA want to resort to the tactics after the bombing of Pearl Harbor? Like concentration camps for Japanese_ American citizens? I surely hope not! ??
    country bumpkin

    Moderator
    He did it!

    11 Answers

    In 1980, then President Jimmy Carter put a ban on Iranian immigrants due to the hostage situation that existed at the time.  It didn't cause nearly the stink Trump's suggestion has caused.
    Personally, I think a ban on ALL immigration might be a good idea, so that policies and procedures that are in disarray can be restated and updated.  AND, that way nobody is being "picked on".
    Trump may be outspoken, ill-mannered and loud-mouth, but he is saying what a lot of Americans are thinking and afraid to say.  He's"politically incorrect" enough to say so.  "The media", both sides, are so busy condemning him, they (and some of the pundits of the Republican party) seem to be forgetting that many, many, many citizens here want things to change. 
    Let's just hope that the will of the PEOPLE is respected. 

    Ducky

    Moderator
    Exactly...rude and steps over the line with his comments BUT, all in all, could be a problem solver. I just hope he doesn't decide to make things difficult between United States and Canada.
    Bob/PKB

    Me, too! If the guy were a little less arrogant and conceited, and had the tiniest bit of diplomacy, he might have some endorsements outside of the average Jane and Joe. It's not so much what he says as the tactless way he says it.
    Ducky

    Moderator
    He is used to being the boss and telling others (not discussing with) what the plan is and how it will be carried out. I wish he would tone it down a bit so more people could actually "hear" what he is saying.
    Bob/PKB

    Thank you for seeing the "other side of the coin". He's not my first choice for president, but I'd support him over any Democrat nominee. He's offering solutions (tactlessly, of course) that don't involve the government playing Robin Hood, which I don't hear from the other party.
    terryfossil 1

    I am an Aussie Bob,,and Trump is not,,but i like what he says,,and as a lady said in a link i gave to you,,it is time to take the "politically correct"crap and throw it in the trash can..>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<..
    Bob/PKB

    I love what and how that woman responded. How one could disagree with her is beyond me, but there are certainly some here who would fault her.
    terryfossil 1

    You hit the nail on the head Bob..>>>>>>>><<<<<<<..
    terryfossil 1

    Is it not wonderful to see what we said 1 year ago,and look at what we are saying now,,>>>>>>>><<<<<<<..
    Bob/PKB

    Terry, who could have known (besides the Russians, of course)

    He gets attention for sure. He's a great salesperson and has been all over the news media (yet again) today, after speaking last night. What do Americans think of him? They are all over the news media today too....pundits, analysts, other politicians, backers from both sides, news anchors....it depends on who you listen to.


    As a Canadian, we are very much affected by the President of the U.S.A. Let's hope they elect the 'right person', whomever that may be.

    NO, this person is an A$$HOLE and he speaks what comes from an A$$HOLE.


    Real Americans aren't stupid enough to listen to this person.

    Ducky

    Moderator
    Real Americans, thousands of them, are applauding his every word, at every gathering. He's all over the CNN television network as I type because he spoke in (the state of) South Carolina last night. He's leading in the polls by 13% over his nearest competitor. People are definitely listening due to fear and he is appealing to that fear!
    Personally, I think he may very well get the Republican nomination and if not, his next attempt will be as an Independent.
    ROMOS

    I saw his speech, "real" leaders of the civilised world powers have the same opinion of him that I have, if the real Americans are paranoid enough to vote this person into office we should ALL be scared of what will happen, hopefully this won't happen
    Ducky

    Moderator
    The leaders of the world do not do the voting. The U.S. citizens do. They're cheering him...and loudly! Trump says things that a lot of people say, behind closed doors, with their friends, and especially when they're upset.
    jhharlan

    He frightens me and what if he made it to office? Personally, I don't see him making it. There can't be THAT many idiots in the states. If he makes it into the actual running then maybe the dems stand a chance.....
    Ducky

    Moderator
    @jh...If he were a Democrat, would he still frighten you? I just ask because you seem to be so STRONGLY Democrat.
    clu

    I think he is dangerous! If he gets elected be prepared for doom!
    jhharlan

    Duck, no democrat would act that way. I’m a liberal democrat and we just don’t allow such acts…….
    clu

    @ Hector You say"they " elected Bush! NOT ME!
    Ducky

    Moderator
    @jh...There is a whole group of people who don't act a certain way? Now THAT is scary! I wouldn't put that kind of faith in any political party.
    terryfossil 1

    So now the UK wants to ban Trump from coming to the UK,,and Trump wants to ban muslims,,,anyone spot the difference..?????????Ukip do not seem to mind him >>>>>>>><<<<<<<<..http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35052505
    ROMOS

    No Terry, the UK doesn't want to ban the a$$hole, it's the British press that are shouting for this.
    terryfossil 1

    I do not know if banning muslims is the answer Roy,,but until countries can find a more secure way of screening for terrorists ,,what is the next best answer..????????..>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<..
    Bob/PKB

    How would you prevent problems like the Paris bombings, San Bernardino shootings, and countless beheadings?
    I'm a "real" American, ROMOS. The man doesn't have the tact of a flea, but he's at least offering an option; our president is worried about .0004 degree climate change over the past 80 years.
    ROMOS

    @Bob, this person is feeding on the paranoia that is inbuilt to the American psyche, since 9/11 this has been upped 1000% or more, this person and his mindset has no place in modern society, although I don't always agree with your current Presidents policies I feel he is doing not too bad a job considering he is doing it with both hands tied behind his back, Congress will eventually regret a lot of their decisions I think, getting back to the point, I hope REAL Americans can see through this persons rhetorical B/S and find a decent candidate to run your beautiful but flawed country.
    Bob/PKB

    But what is a realistic solution? Trump's suggestion is pretty much the same thing Jimmy Carter did in 1980 when the Iranians had American hostages. What makes this different or unacceptable?
    ROMOS

    @Bob, no one is taking hostages in the situation that is going on now like they did in the past, Muslims have been living and contributing in my country and yours for years now without any problems at all, and ALL the good Muslims will continue to do so, these people who are carrying out these atrocities are not Muslims, they are radicals created by the lack of law and order in the middle east which both our countries helped to create, if you go there in an innocent capacity you risk being taken by these radicals "be it as it is", there really is no solution to this problem, Britain has been dealing with terrorism for nigh on 50 years now( IRA and others from Ireland), we have never banned any innocent Irish citizen from entering the UK, this does not work, these people will find a way to kill and maim innocents, the best way IMO would be to gather even more intelligence than our countries already have on these radical individuals, but some "people" feel this would infringe on all our human rights, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear, right? This person who is punting to be President of your country is feeding off the fear of your citizens, do not be afraid of these terrorists, that's what they want, carry on with your day to day life without looking over your shoulder as if some day they will come and get YOU, show these terrorists that you don't care how much they try to frighten you, that's what they want, they want to disrupt ordinary peoples lives so much that our decent governments will eventually give in to them and give them what they want, CONTROL.
    Nuff said.................but don't let that person get anywhere near the White House.
    jhharlan

    Thank you
    Bob/PKB

    No one has denied there are good people of any and all and no faiths, ROMOS. No one has denied there are dangerous and mentally unstable in all the same categories, JULIE. We do have an issue growing with a radical sect of a religion that is wreaking terror without checks or balances, a lot of after-the-fact scrambling, and far too many funerals. I should pretend there isn't a risk and "show them" I'm not afraid? That puts an end to the terror attacks how? This isn't the "JV team" they were dubbed and disregarded by when something could have been initiated months ago. Julie's hero and the bunch of thieves in Congress could have addressed this problem months ago instead of playing golf and giving themselves more benefits. Denial of a problem doesn't make it go away.
    Trump is loud, aggressive, and uncouth, offering a radical solution to a radical problem, but people may be more willing to give information that could help destroy these "cells" if there was an incentive.
    jhharlan

    That I support our president does not make him my hero, Phyllis. That's a low and mean blow. Sweetie, the terrorists are already here and more coming. They are not law abiding citizens. And how will you recognize them to say no to? Keep out the sheep with wolves are in the pen. Immigrants and those already here alike. Trump is offering no solution to this, is he? He's just mouthing what some of you want to hear.....
    Bob/PKB

    Obama is your hero. He's my cousin's hero, too. She had tens of thousands of dollars of free (to her) medical treatments and surgeries because of him.
    What some of us want to hear is a workable, viable, immediate- as- you-can-get solution instead of rhetoric that is stale, stubborn, and old. Wolves and sheep. OK, you want analogies.
    The USA is a big pen of sheep. There are some crazed wolves in the pen, but they have been there, born there, and they get hold of some of the sheep and kill them. There are so many sheep (and wolves) that it's hard for the shepherds to pinpoint where the wolves are and get rid of them. Sadly, they are being found only after they have attacked the sheep.
    Someone wants to give the USA a whole bunch more sheep, but the number of wolves that could be in this new flock could be a pretty high percentage, and these wolves are extremely dangerous, as they are determined to kill as many of the existing sheep as possible. These are, literally, wolves in sheep's clothing, finding their way in disguised as the new sheep being introduced.
    YOU don't want to put any more of YOUR sheep at risk with the new wolves and are trying to figure out what to do to get the new sheep in safely without risking letting in the wolves at the same time. Again, let me emphasize that you DON'T want to put your sheep at any more risk.
    HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THIS? YOU WILL LOSE A LOT OF YOUR SHEEP IF YOU AREN'T CAREFUL.
    jhharlan

    As I wrote, the wolves are already here and more are coming, ban or no ban. How can you let so many, many die and help be responsible for it? It's you who is being selfish and afraid. Leave your comments to a nasty email.....
    Bob/PKB

    So, your responsible, rational, intelligent response to the problem is, in so many words, "Screw it, they're already here. What difference does it make."
    If you choose to attack me on this website, Julie, I will defend myself.

    ROMOS, when so many people are fearful, they are hostages by proxy. It is a real and serious situation, from coast to coast. Our country is in the process of being besieged. Doing nothing is not the answer for me.
    My personal preference is for another candidate, by the way. Trump has leadership experience and is a highly successful businessman, by virtue of his wealth and bullying. Whether he is respected or admired is a different story. His lack of tact and finesse, and inability to compromise for the sake of mutual benefit makes him an undesirable choice for me. I do hope one of the politicians running can distance himself from that politician identification and emerge as a PERSON.
    My personal thought is that anyone who wants to commit mass murder has a "mental problem".
    jhharlan

    Yes. Let’s deal with what we can first……...

    I'm afraid, very afraid. He's stupid enough to push THE BUTTON. God help us AND the world if he actually makes it in.....

    clu

    Exactly, Julie! He's dangerous!
    terryfossil 1

    Slightly over exaggerated JH.....>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<..
    jhharlan

    Oh. I don't know. The man wants to build a giant fence for crying out loud!
    terryfossil 1

    That's okay JH,China built The Great Wall,,Germany built a wall,Australia built The Rabbit Proof Fence,,you guys already got a pretty big fence down Mexico way..>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<..
    Bob/PKB

    How would you prevent problems like the Paris bombings, San Bernardino shootings, and countless beheadings?
    jhharlan

    And this will be accomplished simply by banning people who's only fault (?) is their religion? That's where Hitler /Trump comparison comes in. America banned the Jews to what good end? Ann Frank died because of our ban.....
    Bob/PKB

    I asked you a specific question, looking for a rational, helpful answer, not a rant. Do you have a better solution, or do you think there is no problem. Tell that to the families of the people who were killed last week in California, or all the people who lost someone in Paris, the people injured in Boston, and the families of people you can watch beheaded on YOUTUBE. Did you bother to think about why there is a memorial where the Twin Towers used to be
    Carter banned Iranian immigrants in response to a hostage crisis. The US put Japanese in camps during WWII following the attack at Pearl Harbor. A potential problem, a temporary solution. End of problem, end of temporary solution.
    WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION?
    jhharlan

    I don't have a clue how to react to the shootings brought on by zealots. A bigger concern is the war at home. By far more Americans have killed one another than we have died at the hand of ISIS. How do we deal with hidden mental illness? For what it's worth, ISIS has an agenda. Why has not a week gone by that there hasn't been a mass shooting in the U.S. since 2013. A week! What is Trump's answer for that?
    Bob/PKB

    The lack of a substantive answer doesn't surprise me.
    jhharlan

    I want post my initial reaction to your statement.....
    terryfossil 1

    @ Bob,i speak of Aussie Bob,i am happy to ban muslim nationality at least until we can find a way to screen them,and they can prove that they come to country to make their home,and they become one with that country and over a certain period of time,have other Aussie's vouch for their authenticity of intergrating with their new country,,>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<..
    Bob/PKB

    @terryfossil; between you and me, that sounds logical and practical, but we seem to be in the minority around here.
    terryfossil 1

    @ Bob,Our head of security said something interesting in today's paper...he does not want us upsetting the main muslim population in our country as they have a good working relationship with them,,and a lot of information on home grown terrorists comes from them..i would personally would like to see a study done on why an Aussie or American would leave their adopted country to fight for a cause against their adopted country and their own family..leave mental illness out of it,,it is a choice to fight for a cause,,we have a foreign editor over here who says all non middle east countries should pull out of there,as it is a war that has been going on for over 100 years,,they have been killing each other over a differing of religion,,and if we take the innocent ones who run away into our countries,,and has already been said,,the wolves will come with the sheep or the first born of the sheep will become the wolf,,How do you screen against that..????.always nice talking Bob..>>>>>>>><<<<<<<..http://global-directions.com/
    terryfossil 1

    @ Bob...Trump seems to be going down the track i mentioned in my comment,,he is banning them for 90 days until a way can be formatted to somehow determine between the good guys and the bad guys..things are gonna be disruptive for awhile,but he said he would do this,so far,a man of his word,,Obama will soon be a memory>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<..

    I don't like political stuff and try to refrain from my opinion but this guy is just SCARY!

    Bob/PKB

    How would you prevent problems like the Paris bombings, San Bernardino shootings, and countless beheadings?
    terryfossil 1

    @ bob,,stop asking the question that really needs to be asked..>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<..
    country bumpkin

    Moderator
    He frightens me to Clu!.

    He is to all intent and puposes ,the moden version of a reicanated Adolf  and in all that could come to pass,if the are fool enough to elect him ,

    terryfossil 1

    If the people vote for him Hec,,thats democracy,,i would not have said that of hitler..>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<..
    Bob/PKB

    How would you prevent problems like the Paris bombings, San Bernardino shootings, and countless beheadings?

    Trump is a big mouthed racist bigoted egomaniac bully with waaaay too much money on his hands. He should be perfect. But he'll never get the chance due to his latest remarks ... http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/politics/donald-trump-josh-earnest-disqualified-president-muslims/index.html


     

    terryfossil 1

    Lindi,listening to the link you put up,,he does not come across as bad as the headlines are saying,,and see as how the democratic world is split on the subject,,i do not see anybody else coming up with a solution,,and if something is not done,things will only get worse..>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<..
    lindilou

    He is suffering from extreme prejudice and I do agree that when he is calm and seemingly rational he has an awful lot of passion for his country and a great deal of somewhat subdued angst for the forerunners but I honestly don't think he knows what the presidency entails! Exclusivity is NOT an attribute of the mosh-pit known as America! The country is based on inclusivity of all people.... it's right there in the constitution! Well, except for maybe aboriginals... they did their damndest to try to wipe them out....
    Bob/PKB

    How would you prevent problems like the Paris bombings, San Bernardino shootings, and countless beheadings?
    lindilou

    I don't think these events are preventable because there are so many messed up people in the world Bob... birth control maybe? I honestly don't think more hatred will fix anything.
    Bob/PKB

    How is a temporary ban on immigration an act of hatred? One could consider it an act of caution. Of course, most of the people here are safe because they aren't Christians, but I doubt there was a survey before the bombings in Paris or the shootings in San Bernardino, for recent examples. Trump IS saying what people are afraid of saying, and that's why he's getting so much support. I support the concepts, as they are a pretty straight-forward way to effectively reduce the risks to Americans and immigrants already here. The problem with Trump is his lack of experience in compromise and the idea that money will buy anything and anyone. I suspect, though, if he offered the right amount to some, they'd fall all over themselves doing whatever he asked...people right her on akaQA even.
    I'll have to review the Constitution to find the part that deals with immigration. Thanks for responding to my question!

    He's a big blowhard


     

    Bob/PKB

    How would you prevent problems like the Paris bombings, San Bernardino shootings, and countless beheadings?
    ROMOS

    You CAN'T stop these things, especially in the US where firearms are readily available, I'm really surprised that the USA is making such a big thing about terrorism when they have a much bigger problem with the home grown mass killers, is it because the terrorists don't have "mental problems"?
    Bob/PKB

    My question under this answer is for the member who posted it.
    ROMOS

    Just sayin.

    As far as I am concerned I would prefer to vote for a non politician and somebody with business experience. Politicians had their chance. Its republicans own fault for being so weak . Just let the muslims in and their BS sharia law , see what happens. Then you wont be bashing Trump. They cant stop the terrorists from coming in with them. I've got my concealed license for protection.

    terryfossil 1

    Zorro i think you and me think alike,,i do not know how many people these muslims have to kill before people believe they are a problem,,they do not care about their own lives,they certainly do not care about mine.this is why muslims are not smart enough to think for themselves..>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<..http://www.aish.com/jw/me/Jews_Muslims__Power.html
    Bob/PKB

    For those of you who didn't bother to check the item lindilou posted, it's important to actually read it to the end.
    "The mistake here lies not in the numbers but in the words “Christian” and “Muslim”. Sometimes religion is a cause – or at least an excuse – like in the bombings by Christian extremist Eric Rudolph or the genocide in Sudan. But most often it is not. Calling, say, the 9/11 terrorists “Muslim” is like calling Hitler “Christian”: true yet misleading. It is Islamophobia, not a serious attempt to understand the world as it is."
    terryfossil 1

    Spot on Bob,however they are numbers from back in time,in this time,i believe it was our lady friend from the heritage foundation who said.."not all muslims are terrorists,but most terrorists are muslim"..i can only assume we are talking about this day and age..>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<..

    The problem is not any social group...The use of Hypnosis is a violation of personal free will. It's use by secret agents produces groups of similarly indoctrinated persons who will, on que, behave in their instructed manner as if the 'Will of God' were their one clear instruction from God. Hypnosis is the usurpation of the will of God. The crime is always known by God...why else is there guilt, Hades,  and occasional vapor states...poof!        

    terryfossil 1

    UMMMMMMM..Yeah..?????????????
    hector5559

    Well sumed up Robert,
    terryfossil 1

    Okay Hec,now you tell me what Robert said..>>>>>>><<<<<<<<..
    hector5559

    In a nutshell we are all bamboozled by the so called elete and power gods of this world ,and those of us that think we are of superior intelegence,Terry,
    robert grist

    My comment here belongs somewhere else.....As far as Trump goes; I see him as playing the "Jester" to the public...a professional joker or “fool” at a medieval court, typically wearing a cap with bells on it and carrying a mock scepter.
    • a person who habitually plays the fool.
    jhharlan

    Good to see you back, Robert!
    lindilou

    DUDE! Hitler used mass hypnosis !
    terryfossil 1

    Robert,i just watched a movie(2010) Unthinkable,,,it is a movie of fiction or to one day become fact,,considering The Twin Towers,i guess it is already fact,,if you should watch the movie,let me know which one of the players you agree with....knowing how it ends...>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<..

    The Twin Towers were designed to come down as they did to enable other structures to be built there. The CIA used this as a justification to go to war and keep our military fully funded. Accidents happen but hypnosis inspires seemingly ordinary folk to leap into armed conflict and perhaps drive nicely painted air-craft into empty buildings...then too there are deaths to give meaning to. Dead folk are used as seat fillers in such events then claimed to have been there in exchange for financial compensation and a story about how they happen to be there. If it leads to war after 1954 then it was probably staged to support the biggest military on the planet...by far. ...And this is to prevent much bigger wars than our On-Going Little Wars that controls and manipulates populations to build and occupy the taxable hovels there that are a bit up-scale from their previous digs that were not all that bad. It's about money. 


    ***The Twin towers were designed to collapse rather than to break-down and fall into other nearby structures...if these structures were hit by a large aircraft 1/3 from the top of the structure. Many people die every day and gaining informed consent to use a dead relatives body for (blank) reasons is too easy to ignore...(AKA...Soylent Green is made of people, a movie starring Charlton Heston.


    A quick lesson or two about USA style War. To prevent world war we have a vast military that is larger than the next top seven militaries in the world combined. To maintain our military we sell of guns and ammo along with military support materials to any nation~~everyone on the planet. Old military gear goes to everyone cheap or in trade. How to inspire war?....Hypnotize Selected teachers/leaders to hypnotize students, children and others in how to build bombs, kill, and on-que do what they were told to do as if it is the very word of God to go forth and do their dirty deed. The special key phrase triggers the hypnotized directive. When triggered, all of that training comes in to their un-warry mind as if God had directed their every move even to death and into the rewards of Heaven upon dying.I have seen many who saw their actions as at the very hands of God in their life, without remorse, suspicion, or the  slightest fear or concern for their own life...Just their God-Given task.        

    terryfossil 1

    To deep or twisted for me to enter into Robert,,unless you can simplify what you said..????.>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<..
    Ducky

    Moderator
    Not sure how you come to your conclusions Robert. I watch an awful lot of news and political opinions and I never hear anything like this. Conspiracy?
    terryfossil 1

    Conspiracy Duck?????,,nah not Robert..or maybe..Nah NOT Robert,he is to clear and precise.. >>>>>>>><<<<<<<<..


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