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    Whats your opinion of Zimmerman court case ?

    It's a tragedy that it happened. But it did. Zimmerman should be found not guilty from the evidence i have seen on tv. But, there is a very big weakness in society . There is a big chance he will be found guilty because of weak minded jurors. Blacks across USA said they will retaliate if found not guilty. Black preachers will say social injustice. Maybe if Martin was not under influence of marijuana, he would be here. Maybe these preachers start preaching against violence and drug use there would less cases like this and outcome.

    +4  Views: 1000 Answers: 6 Posted: 10 years ago
    Colleen

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    I did not know who you were replying to so I moved your comment here. As you know, you can not answer your own question.

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    zorro
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    If he intended to kill him wouldn't he use more than one shot ? He used necessary force to stop the attack on him. That is a proper use in use of force. The only force necessary to stop the event.
    Colleen

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    True. He did say he did not know he had killed him since Trayvon set up off him, put his arms up and said, "You've got me, you've got me".
    Colleen

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    zorro
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    Found NOT GUILTY. Atleast we can still protect ourselves using deadly force .
    Colleen

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    Please stop using the add new answer box to comment to your own question. Either use the comment this answer option to reply to an answer or use this comment section to add more thoughts.

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    zorro
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    All these idiots would not be protesting if a guilty verdict was found. Guarantee 95% of them voted for Obama. Its the low information voters that disagree with the verdict because they cant make a common sense decision in their life. Makes them feel empowered. Zimmerman was not a racist. He took a black girl to a prom. These people are weak , trying to spread their weak views on the rest of America. But common sense and intelligence prevailed.

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    If you listen to his non emergency call to the police, that call says it all. The story is there. He was not stalking, targeting or racially profiling Trayvon. In my opinion, Trayvon was the aggressor two times. He was the one who started walking up to the truck Zimmerman was sitting in while he spoke to dispatch. Trayvon is the one who ran once he got close enough to the truck to see that Zimmerman was on the phone. That is when Zimmerman got out of the truck to follow Trayvon so he could tell the police where Trayvon was. I can hear no sounds of Zimmerman running after Trayvon. No footsteps are heard so he was walking, not running. He lost sight of Trayvon, as he was already gone as fast as he was running.  


    As close as his father's condo was to where Zimmerman first saw him, Trayvon should have been inside the condo already. Dispatch told Zimmerman that they did not need him to follow Trayvon and he said, OK. A second later the sound of the wind coming through his cell goes away. This tells me that Zimmerman had turned and was heading back to his truck where he would meet the responding police. Seconds later, the call ends. Going on the time frame of the responding officer's report, the officer arrived 4 minutes after the call to dispatch ended. In that time, Zimmerman was heading back to his truck to wait for the police. He still did not know where Trayvon was until he encounters him at a cross path.


    This is where Trayvon's female friend picks up the story because she was on the phone with Trayvon. Why was Trayvon still outside if he was scared of this "crazy cracker" following him? The ensuing struggle took place 70 yards away from his father's condo. This means either Trayvon never went into the condo and waited for Zimmerman so he could confront him or he went into the condo, while talking to his friend decided to go confront Zimmerman and went back out to look for him and met him at the cross path. After the fight, Zimmerman had the grass stains on his back, Zimmerman had the broken nose and the beginning of two black eyes as seen in the photo taken just after the incident, Zimmerman had the cuts to the back of his head. Zimmerman's knuckles where neither bloodied nor bruised. Trayvon's knuckles were bloodied and the only other injury he had was a gun shot wound. The judge has bent over backwards to allow all kinds of stuff from the prosecutors while she did her best to shut down the defense. She harassed Zimmerman telling him he could exercise his right to remain silent but in the same breathe demands that he answer her. Zimmerman is confused so he looks to his attorney. His attorney tries to answer for him and is pretty much told to shut up and told that she is asking Zimmerman, not him. She puts them in a position that could intentionally influence the jury and show Zimmerman is not as well prepared as an innocent man should be (this of course is my opinion).


    The media wants to keep promoting a picture of Trayvon when he was 10 years old looking all sweet and innocent. They do not run with the pictures of him at 16 and 17, three that show him exhaling pot smoke, one that shows him holding a gun with the text added "I'm a gangsta" or the one where he is flipping the bird with both hands or the one showing off his grill. A grill he could not have afforded since his family is poor and he had no job. This leads back to one of his school expulsions where the school police officer found stolen jewels in his backpack. The jewels came from a house just 2 lots down from the school. Then there is the school bus incident when he punched the driver in the face and the incident in school where he was caught drawing graffiti on a locker. None of this was allowed to be told in court however. The text messages on his cellphone showing his real persona, were also not allowed for the defense to use because the judge said they were hear-say. Yet the prosecutor was allowed to use the phone call between Treyvon and his idiot friend who is a high school graduate but "can not read cursive" and who's story kept changing while on the witness stand. The media has already forgotten about her though as they keep trying to paint Trayvon as a sweet and innocent child. He was no child, he was a few months away from turning 18 (I believe in Florida a male is legally a man at 18 yrs of age) and he was taller than Zimmerman, had youth on his side for fast moves and had some mixed martial arts training, enough lessons that he could apply them in a fight. 


    My opinion, Zimmerman has been railroaded. The CRS (a little known branch of the Dept of Justice) went to Fl and paid for the demonstrations that pushed to have Zimmerman arrested. Nothing was done about the Black Panther's threats of violence against the white people if Zimmerman is convicted. The DOJ could implement the hate speech law and arrest members of the Black Panthers who spout the words. They have not done that. The Black Panthers offered a $10,000.00 reward to anyone who killed Zimmerman, this should have come under the hate crimes law and yet no arrest where made for that either. Eric Holder pushed for a trial based on racism. Obama claimed that if he had a son, he would have looked just like Trayvon, thus making the sheep believe Obama in a sense adopted the poor boy. Obama should have kept his mouth shut and stayed out of it. His words helped to set the tone against Zimmerman. Eric pushed it. The justice department ran with it and the judge clearly showed bias and sided with the prosecution.


    Zimmerman is innocent of murder to any degree. He was defending himself and in the end has to use his gun to stop Trayvon from killing him. Had Trayvon gotten Zimmerman's gun (and I believe he felt the gun while he had Zimmerman on the ground and attacking him. He did not need to see it, he felt it while grappling) had he gotten that gun, I do believe he would have shot Zimmerman. He was a hoodlum wanna be after all as proven by the pictures he took of himself but the media fails to promote.  


    Trayvon caused his own death. He should have stayed in the condo and not gone out looking for Zimmerman. 


    Zimmerman is innocent, the judge should lose her robe for her part in the attempted railroading and the CRS needs to be investigated for their roll in this fiasco. 


    Call to the police non emergency line http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ATrayvon_Martin_Shooting_Call1.ogg 


    The judge bullying Zimmerman and his lawyer and asking a question that should NOT have been asked in front of the jurors. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/353105/judge-confronts-zimmerman-testy-exchange-dimitrios-halikias?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter 


     

    The media has certainly showed bias towards guilty for Zimmerman-- I have a theory on that but it would side track this discussion.  With what evidence the media has provided us against their will at times) I see Zimmerman just as the prosecution states. 'A wannabe' cop'  However, this does not make him guilty of anything. profiling and following is not against the law so these points are moot. 


    The fact that Treyvon Martin was shot and killed is unfortunate, the reference from the media that he is a 'child' is also wrong, technically he was a child in the eyes of the law but the media is using the term to entice sympathy for Trevon -   Regardless of the verdict, I do believe there will be either celebration or there will be riots, either way, the end result is the same, looting, damage to personal property, injuries, possibly deaths.  They don't need a cause, they only need an excuse.  Mob mentality.


    I hope that the jury doesn't convict him thinking that this will curtail public disobedience, it will not, not to mention it is unjust! As for Zimmerman himself, regardless of the decision, his life is in danger, either in prison or on the streets.  They will get him.

    Colleen

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    Yet comments from his neighbors speak differently. They do not see him as a wanna be cop. He did not start the community watch, they asked him to join it.

    I agree with your last comment. No matter what, Zimmerman will never be safe.
    Vinny

    I don't say 'wannabecop' sarcastically, the prosecution might but I am only repeating their words. His neighbors may have asked him to join it but the title goes with the turf. It's basically slang for all security guards, neighborhood watch, anyone that has a desire to monitor police activity with scanners in their cars. These are all generically called wannabies-- I have a serious problem with the racial overtones of this case, right now they are gathering 'guilty-guilty' etc. These people refuse to consider evidence, -- They are 95% black.
    Then you have the whites, they are all 'innocent-innocent-etc. This case is so racially motivated its almost funny. MSNBC Reverend Sharpton instigating black on white-- Fox news O'Rielly White on Black.
    The issue here is the media progresses hatred racially and by class. The biggest enemy I feel the American people have is 'opinionated news.' at one time, they reported the news, if an anchor insinuated his/her opinion, they were fired.
    Colleen

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    I'm not arguing you at all. I just feel I need to make my position and thoughts of his innocence clear and I feel they have nothing to do with your thoughts about it and why people are siding due to race and the comment about wanna be cops.

    I listen to a police scanner and I watch my street at night because I am up all night. It is a quiet street tucked away in a grid of small streets. It is strange to see anyone out on my street after 11 pm. So when I see people on the street after 11 pm, I am curious and sometimes suspicious if they have a grungy look like the man one night who had longish scraggly hair, a scraggly beard, wearing a dirty white t-shirt and torn jeans. Was I profiling to think he was suspicious looking? Maybe so. All I know is he kept my attention until he left my street. Does any of this make me a wanna be cop? No. I've never been interested in being a cop. Does this make me a concerned and aware resident of my street? In my opinion, yes. Have I called the police on suspicious looking characters on my street at night time? Yes, one time. Am I self appointed neighborhood watch? No, not really. I just happen to be up all night and smoke outside my house and the street is right there.

    My decision that Zimmerman is innocent is based on the facts presented. In my opinion, he is innocent of a racially motivated killing which is how the prosecution painted it. I do not see Zimmerman as a white man. He is Peruvian and identifies as Hispanic. To call him a white Hispanic as the media does, shows they are playing the race card. Anyone who also calls him a white Hispanic has race issues.

    I for one never look to the media for answers. I've met many white people on Facebook who are the same as me. They gather their own facts and go on their own determinations. I've met a couple of black people on Facebook who side with Zimmerman. Unfortunately, it appears that most of the blacks following the trial do not care if Zimmerman is guilty or innocent, they just want to cause a problem. This I still blame on the CRS who was sent to Florida to get the racially motivated demonstrations going. You can read about that here if you want > http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/martin-justice-department-rallies/2013/07/10/id/514423?s=al&promo_code=14224-1

    There is more than just the media at play here. There is Al Sharpton, Eric Holder and even Obama and his comment that first started the race issue.
    Vinny

    oH NO cOLLEEN, i AM NOT ARGUING WITH YOU AT ALL, I AM ONLY SAYING WHAT PEOPLE IN MY 'NECK OF THE WOODS' SAY ABOUT 'WANNABIES' (sorrry for caps-- capslock on, too lazy to re-do it.)
    Anyway, I agree with you 110%.

    Yesterday in a PM on facebook, one of my friends was going bezerk on Zimmerman -- she said he's guilty as sin. In a PM I asked her based on what? All evidence i have seen clearly convinced me it was self defense- Her 'STUPID' reply was-- 'It makes no difference the evidence -- the fact is he is an adult and he shot and killed a child. This is why he should be found guilty." race wasn't mentioned but still the reply represents many 'non-thinking' Americans. This to me is equally as stupid and bringing race into it.
    Colleen

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    Trayvon was no child. He was just a few months from his 18th birthday when he would have been old enough to join the military to kill or be killed. Tell her to listen to the non emergency call to the police dept. Have you listened to it? There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmerman had no ill intentions towards Trayvon, he was not in "police" mode with gun drawn just looking to kill someone.
    Vinny

    Colleen, I doubt that any common sense formula would ever convince here otherwise. apparently, she was a abused child, I dunno but her reasoning is totally uninformed. But she fits the category of the do-gooders - They are good intentioned but they don't follow facts, nor take the time to understand the facts. They have their ingrained opinions, this also applies to those that insert racism into this.
    Vinny

    I quote myself:

    "Regardless of the verdict, I do believe there will be either celebration or there will be riots, either way, the end result is the same, looting, damage to personal property, injuries, possibly deaths. They don't need a cause, they only need an excuse. Mob mentality."

    And this is exactly what is happening in Oakland. Rioting on the streets, busting windows of businesses, setting fires, damaging police cars, graffiti, arrests total civil disobedience. AND, I doubt there are 10 people of the hundreds rioting that has any clue of the case proceedings, nor do they actually care, they are anarchists and total low lifes that only need an excuse to party on the streets and destroy as they go. Personally I think they should throw an electric net over the whole bunch of 'em and electrocute them where they stand. At one point this PC crap and 'civil liberties' need to give way to control and discipline-- Yeah, I'm mad! They have a right to free speech, this does not mean they are free to destroy and injure people making their idiot point. maybe a little caning will do the trick, like they do in communists countries, after all, they are a bunch of America hating commies.
    Colleen

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    It is ridiculous but we can thank Obama for this. HE BUILT THIS! Now he has added the anti-gun people to the mix with his speech about no rioting but maybe we can address the gun violence.......He's such a moron!
    Vinny

    Over here in the SF-Bay area, they are pushing hard on guns again. Reference to the case begins with. 'Unarmed--Black--Teenager" Three sympathetic lead in words to enforce gun control, racism and child abuse-- trigger words for the left. Obama says 'Trayvon is a terrible loss to us all-- Now he insists on more push towards gun control. Once again, using the unfortunate loss of a family to push the liberal agenda. The president of the United States should not involve himself in any civil case or situation, other than major catastrophes. His 'advisers' are behind this political push. Perhaps is people on the other side would remind the public that Zimmerman despite his German name is actually Hispanic-- Then maybe the Hispanics would have second thoughts about they god turning face on them. However, the media keeps pounding that Zimmerman is 'White'-- He's a half breed just like Obama. But of course in Obama's case, he's black!

    7/14/13....and Zimmerman was found not guilty by a jury of 6 women, in spite of the media, in spite of Obama, in spite of the pressure to find him guilty.  Good for those 6 women, who put aside all the B.S. and paid attention to the facts and theories presented in the case. 


    It disgusts me when people start riots following the legal process of the laws of the USA. You do not have the right to destroy property because you are P.O.d about something.  The preachers who advocate violence are NOT men of any God I know.  


    Trayvon's family copyrighted the t-shirts that people were wearing and have made a ton of money on those.  They sued the association where the shooting took place and have been paid A LOT OF MONEY, and nobody even went to court.  


    Enough already.   In my book, anybody rioting because of this (or any other) verdict is little short of a terrorist.  I understand a militant "African American" group has put a $10,000 reward for killing white folk.    Stay out of Oakland...........

    Neighborhood watch to me would mean that if you see someone suspicious your responsibility is to call the police. They are the professionals and they should be the only ones with guns. Carrying a gun, in my opinion, is looking for trouble and that's exactly what happened. A life is gone and how sad that is.

    Colleen

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    He did call the police. He only followed after Martin ran. He was never on top of Martin and lost sight of him in less than a minute. Listen to the call to the police. He just wanted to let the police know where Martin went when they got there. Guns are personal choice. Trayvon should have stayed in the condo once he got there instead of going back out to find Zimmerman. If not for the gun, Zimmerman would most likely be dead since Trayvon was h-bent on cracking his head open on the cement. You can not blame the gun on this one. Trayvon went back after Zimmerman.
    zorro

    Congratulations, that's just what criminals around the country want you to say. They want to rob, asaault, rape, without the fear of being shot by the person they are attacking. Anybody should have the right to defend themselves by using deadly force if they think their life is in danger. You have the right to not carry a gun. Maybe if martin had not been under the influence of an illegal DRUG he would not have made the decision he made. Nothing good happens to a teenager after 10:00 at night. When you got the black panther party on your side , you know your wrong.
    witchway

    I don't blame the gun.
    Colleen

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    I misread this then, " Carrying a gun, in my opinion, is looking for trouble". Sorry.
    witchway

    I've been shot at twice. I have never blamed the gun, only the person who has possession of the gun is what I have a problem with. It is my understanding that it was a "neighborhood watch" not a "neighborhood arm yourself and seek people to shoot". Maybe I'm off on my understanding of the entire program.
    Colleen

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    Neighborhood watch does not mean sit inside your house with binoculars. They do get out there into the streets. Neighborhood watch can be just as dangerous as policeman watch. They do have a right to defend themselves from the criminals that they are keeping an eye out for to keep their neighbors safe. Hundreds of thousands of people carry concealed weapons at all times. Why should he leave his gun at home when being out on watch might be the time he needs it the most? Conceal and carry is just that, when your out, your gun is with you. He never showed Trayvon the gun. Trayvon found it while he was trying to murder Zimmerman. Good thing Zimmerman won the fight for the gun or he would be dead at the hands of a gangsta wanna be street fighter who if he truly was so skeered of Zimmerma, would have called the police, not his friend. I have reviewed every piece of evidence, read all the stories, saw all the texts and pictures from his phone. Read his history. He was a bad kid on the wrong path and would have ended up dead soon anyway. If not from violence, it would have been the liver disease or brain disease the autopsy showed that was in the beginning stages from all the drugs and alcohol he was consuming. If Zimmerman had not had his gun on him, Trayvon would have just beaten him to death. The LEAN (cocktail made from the skittles and iced tea he bought mixed with cough syrup with codeine) he was using causes paranoid behavior and can make the user violent and intolerant to pain according to the two doctors I have seen write about it.
    witchway

    A good friend of mine is a Guardian Angel, in New Haven, and they don't carry guns. I guess I'm wrong about everything I knew. Bottom line is that the entire situation was a loss on all sides. That was all I was trying to get across here.
    Colleen

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    Personal choice on guns. Not everyone is comfortable having one. Gun or no, someone was going to die that night. That's how I see it. There are no accidents. Everything happens for a reason.

    It's too bad Zimmerman couldn't be compelled to testify. A smart prosecutor or prosecutors might have unraveled him and the verdict returned might have been guilty, as the truth might have come out. As an aside, I had a lawsuit against the Feds, whereby a Fed employee forged my signature on an important document. The gov't called a handwriting "expert" as a witness, smug and cocky, one whom they used many times before. He showed he had this diploma, that diploma, testified to all the courts he appeared in and all of the police departments he assisted. He had the" forged" document, which he compared with a verified signature of mine and said the slope was the same, the loops were the same, etc. He issued a report as to the "investigation" he did. My lawyer asked him, "You didn't test to see that a tracing was done, did you?" You "could've heard a pin drop." He said he did, but my lawyer had him. He lied; it wasn't in his report!

    I think the jury will be told to find him guilty of manslaugher or something that he'll have to go to prison for, or that area of the coutnry will riot. They already said they would. Maybe other big cities will riot too. Hope Detroit doesn't. We got enough problems. BTW, Zimmerman kept saying " Yes,Sir "  to the woman judge when she grilled him .

    Colleen

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    There will be riots either way. They want the riots. It gives Obama a chance to use martial law and call in his private army, the DHS. We have Russian soldiers here who have been training with them for months now. No one can tell a jury what verdict to give. Not even the witch on the bench.
    Colleen

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    I thought it was funny. Yes sir!


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