Vinny, I dont think you understand the question or the statement, Even though search engines show hundreds of variations of the statement it is absurd, illogical impossible nonsense. If you are knocked down 5 times you can get up every time your knocked down ie you can get up only five times. It is impossible to get up 6 times when you have only been knocked down five. The reason I'm looking for it is that the John Wayne illogical line had a major impact on my wifes life when she was 12. She laughed when she heard it, this was a time when many people made fun of JW. Her father said " I believe in that ", and she said "I do too" and then explained about 5 and 6. They then had a father/daughter moment as he pretend he didnt understand 5 and 6 and had to count them out on his fingers. He also decided that his little girl was the next Einstein. She would like to see the movie again. There is no deep philsophical question here, just a matter of counting