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    Science vs. Religion

    “Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”


    -Albert Einstein

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    "I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world."
    — Richard Dawkins

    Gabalis

    You are not speaking of Religion here but, fundamentalistis, orthodox, literalist all, these are TRADITIONS, which are many and varied they are not RELIGION, simply pathways seeking it. Religion is the One and only GOAL. Therefore you are against Traditions and Dogmatism, as am I. ;)

    Though I have asserted that in truth a legitimate conflict between religion and science cannot exist, I must nevertheless qualify this assertion once again on an essential point, with reference to the actual content of historical religions. This qualification has to do with the concept of God. During the youthful period of mankind's spiritual evolution human fantasy created gods in man's own image, who, by the operations of their will were supposed to determine, or at any rate to influence, the phenomenal world. Man sought to alter the disposition of these gods in his own favour by means of magic and prayer. The idea of God in the religions taught at present is a sublimation of that old concept of the gods. Its anthropomorphic character is shown, for instance, by the fact that men appeal to the Divine Being in prayers and plead for the fulfillment of their wishes.
    Nobody, certainly, will deny that the idea of the existence of an omnipotent, just, and omni beneficent personal God is able to accord man solace, help, and guidance; also, by virtue of its simplicity it is accessible to the most undeveloped mind. But, on the other hand, there are decisive weaknesses attached to this idea in itself, which have been painfully felt since the beginning of history. (Albert Einstein, 1941)

    If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed. (Albert Einstein)

    This most beautiful system [The Universe] could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.”
    Sir Isaac Newton quote

    Science can never become our religion because of its lack of fath (in our own theories) that makes us good scientists. This is a crucial point as in science we seek to show that a theory is good by doing everyhting we can to bring it down. In religion there isn't any testing. no peer reviews, no scrutinizing in a religion, one has the faith in the doctine of church (or whatever) and that is the bottom line (so to speak) Faith and science are polar opposites. It is not even partially true that science is becoming a religion. Food for thought. Good night all!

    Gabalis

    Science is the very embodiment of faith, that there is indeed something Greater than are mere ourselves, something powerful and creative! Asking, What is it?, Why is it?, How is it? otherwise why would any bother to persue it? It is not dogmatic, simply pragmatic in its searching ever hungry for the ultimate cause. It is through these men of Science that "God" has chosen to give to men a Modern progressive World. They may not know it or even think of it in that manner, but the evidence is of it moving through time, is monumental! Otherwise we would still be under the inqusition!

    bestway

    That would be a valid point if the churches were united. But as we know the churches are divided into tens of thousands of waring sects. Greek Orthodox, Russian orthodox, and Roman, all excommunicated each other around 7th Century. Long before Protestants joined the fray. On the other hand scientists are just as divided.

    Science is not in conflict with Religion only traditions might be. Science is a fullfillment of that which God has given unto man. A glorious mind that wonders and wanders in His creations seeking His truth in and of all things, that he may find the way home.

    At a time when it was believed that the earth sat on a large animal or giant (1500 B.C.) the bible spoke of the earth free float in space: " he ..... Hangs the the earth upon nothing" (job 26:7) Science didn't discover that the earth hangs upon nothing until 1650.

    bluedeath

    Actually in the history of natural philosophy, what we would call sciences today, happened about a 150 years earlier beginning with Copernicus and then Galileo, then moving to Halley, Hooke, and Newton, but yes you are correct. But why didn't they see it earlier? The Church stated everything God made was perfect. If something is perfect, why study it? They also thought we knew everything about the Earth already, was already written. But then they started getting things from a New World that didn't look like anything in the known world, including people! Shooting holes in Church Doctrine.

    On May 14, 1948, Britain withdrew her mandate, and the nation of Israel was "born in a day" There are more then 25 Bible prophecies concerning Palestine that have been literally fulfilled. Probability estimations conclude that the chances of these being randomly fulfilled are less than one chance in 33 million.

    The thing about science when it comes to evolution is, to prove something scientifically you must recreate the test in a lab and conduct the experiment with the same results happening each time.


    When it comes to the past you can look at fossils, but you can only guess how and why they got there. Religion says it's from a world wide flood, science says it's from the ice age etc.


    If you weren't there you couldn't have observed it, you can't reproduce it in a lab. The evidence points to a world wide flood if your background is Christian and it points to something else if you are an Atheist. Yet it is the same evidence you are both viewing.


    The God of the bible was there. Christians have faith in that and believe. Scientists weren't there, they can only assume what took place, both are belief systems. Evolution is actually closer to religion than to science.

    bestway

    Go back to Genesis and note the lifespans of pre-diluvians.
    Now if Jesus was the Word then he existed eons before the days of creation. Did Jesus teach evolution? Honest Christians answer with an emphatic No! "Did you not read:" he said and quoted from Genesis many times.

    bluedeath

    Leeroy, Actually, there is no scientific evidence anywhere of a cataclysmic "World Wide Flood." As far as fossils go, it is very difficult to preserve fossils in nature. Some things just do not get fossilized. The world is constantly changing, has been changing, and continues to change. As for evolution itself, is not a theory, it is a fact; the theory of evolution attempts to explain how evolution works, and that is where the natural sciences differ. Evolution itself is not in question because we see that all the time, even in humans every time a baby is born not looking identical to it mom.

    leeroy

    I understand what you are saying I also believe you can be to heavenly minded to be any earthly good. If you throw a Bible verse at someone who doesn't understand it, it may or may not help.
    I know God's word doesn't return back void, I am just saying to relate to the world you have to speak the same language. Sometime we speak Christianeese to them and it just doesn't get through. To reach people you have to speak the same language, you know?

    Relative morality is much less than perfect, it leads societies down a declining path, such as ancient Greece and Rome. Once the country looses its morals, its all down hill from there. The practice of no religion leads to the moral decline of any community. Fearing God and Respecting God are two different things.


    For instance; if you respected your father or mother when you were a child, you will follow their rules out of respect not fear. Christianity is similar we want our Heavenly Father to be proud of us. Relative morality would be more like; I don't care what anybody says, I'm gonna do what I feel is right. Many times this also leads to disregard for the laws of the land. It's a slippery slope.


    Today's belief in evolution allows the followers to have a relative morality. Where we are accountable to no one but ourselves. If that makes you happy then do it. It's a choice everyone has to make for themselves.

    ALBERT WAS JUST AMAN.JESUS IS THE LIGHT .

    Gabalis

    Duhhhhh . . . Ah . .

    Grit Savage

    I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organized in its churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world.


    Bertrand Russell

    bestway

    I will go along with that.
    When the church's of Christendom were at their height it was know in history as the Dark ages.

    . . . Intuitve mind our only connection with the higher Mind; GOD.

    Indeed Randy - All things were born out of "Nothing" the entire Universe, our Galaxy "the Milkyway." our sun, our very mother planet Earth, from which our very bodies sprung, allowing we "Souls" to come into a physical, material realm; the "Third Dimension." By this are we able to "experience the existence thereof' and as men we were given additional dimension of Thought; the INTUITIVE MIND. Wonderful! ;)

    In fact Science has become the new Priestcraft, for people believe without doubt what it reveals to us. You look for proof, there is none more proving oF Gods great mysteries than science. THERE IS SOMETHING GREATER THAN THE SUM TOTAL OF THE ALL AND IT IS ONE!



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