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    Grit Savage
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    Should couples apply for permission or a licence to have children, how do we manage the world population?

    since I was born (1965) the world population has almost doubled, is it time to start managing the world population? we only have a finite amount of resources and living space, if things are left as they are things will get very ugly.


    http://www.unfpa.org/public/home/news/pid/7597 


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcSX4ytEfcE&feature=player_embedded#!


     as a youth+ I was a rampant swordsman, but I was always protected, always. I'm not sure why education isn't working, surely kids nowadays are aware of the dangers and the pitfalls of unprotected sex?? or do they just not give a shit?
    and the country's that still practice having dozen of children as their forebears did, I don't have a clue how that can be sorted out. ;-)


    :-)


     

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    melandrupert Grit loved the question very good
    ed shank Great question. I enjoyed your dialog with the new festering sore below. I agree 7 generations of welfare, not cool.

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    itsmee
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    I think that’s a very good idea. How do they manage it in China? I believe couples can only have one child.


     

    dunc How many have you ?
    winfia True

    jhharlan
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    I believe in chance. Denying a child's conception could hurt the future... One never knows who will turn out to be what....If that makes any sense.... I'd give my eye teeth to have another child....

    redslider Planning is everything and a big decision. Sure, if the child will be properly provided for. Too many are not.

    Fishlet
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    I had two children during my first marriage and one child now in my second.  I am a part of the problem. 


    I can say that none of my children are stupid or ugly if that makes any difference.

    Fishlet I could care less.
    Fishlet How about you are right and I am wrong. Let's just leave it at that.
    You read my answer wrong the first time around. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
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    Colleen You're ok FG. ;)

    Benthere
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    Training and/or license for parenting is something to ponder....not denying birth to anyone.


    Isn't it amazing we expect our barbers, taxi drivers, etc... to be licensed... but not for the most important job in the world and our children !

    winfia Perhaps parenting classes should be required when couples who are of child-bearing age apply for a marriage license.

    ed shank
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    Some people simply should not procreate. They are either to stupid or ugly. We have enough of both crawling on the earth.

    ed shank Neither, you have to see my off spring. They are the prettiest people on the planet and they all have degrees in something. I've got a great gene pool. As you can see I'm also quite modest.

    ole hipster
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    Not a bad idea but it probably wouldn't go over too well here, like it did or does in China.

    Poppy3 Have they not relaxed this one child per family in China - I thought they had somewhat.

    tabber
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    Absolutely!!!!  Too Many People On The Planet.  Out of Control Population.


    redslider
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    I would definitely say " Education "  is the key. Too many children are having children. Not just one, but many. It is definitely a problem with caring for the kids from an unplanned pregnancy. It is not suitable or acceptable for the taxpayers to pick up the " tabs " for these children.


    People who are unable to care for their children by working on their own should not have had children period. It is a decision that effects the child and his way of life in the future. I've watched my stepdaughter bring 5 children into this world and live off of welfare for 20 years. It has disgusted me to no end, along with her deadbeat husband. Now my grandaughter is following in her footsteps, exactly.


    So.. yes, I'm in agreement for ' 0 ' population. I think that if people plan parenthood, it is fine. But to literally have one after the other is simply idiotic.


    artguy
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    THAT is just one more license that would be violated after a nigh of drinking, that's for sure   LOL

    melandrupert good answer xx

    daren1
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    funny you need a lisence for everything but having kids perhaps it's about time..


    nomdeplume
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    In most western countries there are not enough babies being produced to maintain the population. An increasingly aged population needs  young people to service their needs and pay their pensions.


    Large families are mostly a feature of the third world, so like it or not, we have to allow these people to enter our countries to redress the balance, but they need to have job offers before doing so.


    nomdeplume
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    Part of the problem is that there are too many elderly like me (69). We use the world's resources, cost a lot in medical  requirements and don't make much positive contribution to society. I think it is time euthanasia booths were introduced.

    jhharlan Shame on you. You're productive and a contributor, at least on here... And you've got 20-30 years to go. I lost my mom at age 82 and I still think that was too young to go.....
    winfia You think of yourself as "elderly" at 69? There's the very young, the young, the young adult, the middle aged adult, the young old, the old-old, and the way-past-too old. You've got two more categories to go, nomdeplume!
    redslider I'm in my 60's and I don't cost anyone anything. I pay my own way. Resources? Try gardening.
    Poppy3 nomdeplume -If I had the time and it was not so late although it would be somewhat laborious to myself and others I have made a massive, positive contribution to society and I consider I get nothing for free in fact I do not and have never lived beyond my means or on credit - I happened to have earned it - I am not about to get a flight to Switzerland yet although there are not so many reasons these days not to. Do I sound boastful - sorry for myself - TOUGH and there was me thinking my brain matter needs turbo charging!
    However, it does come across loud and clear how young people 30+ yrs and more feel about pensioners - understandable to an extent as with the economic going on as it is and poor jobs prospects, but not to be extended too far and I am in no way speaking of myself here, don't do it but as redslider says gardening is good. How old do you have to be before it is considered you died of old age now it is the 4th Age - 80yrs.
    Grit Savage age isn't the problem.
    as an oldie you have EARNED the right to retirement and any medical needs!
    when people have lived of the back of other honest tax payers all of their lives and humped and humped out of sheer boredom to produce more welfare dependants that's one of the problems!
    as for euthanasia I'm all for it, I would rather go out with a smile on my face with dignity, than twisted up in unbearable pain. ;-)

    melandrupert
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     Baby Hi Grit very good question I think Education and Education needs to be applied Urgent as there will not be enough food to supply all these hungry mouths I do think China has it right and there are plenty of poor children who  need to be addopted why have children when the world has so many, I get annoyed at the children have children and then they have children and they are all on wefare and houses are profided for them and every other thing and I cant make the list as it would turn into a essay and I am a Tax payer which is very annoying as my husband and my selve are surpoting these kids as for licence it wouldt work I like what band4 said wait till everyone is responceble has a job and have been together four at laest five years then you can breed but I still feel there should be a limit on children 1/2





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    Umbriel
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    In China, the one-child policy has resulted in the abortion/murder of many female embrtos/infants - and the same happens to a greater or less extent in almost every country where amniocentesis is readily available. The effect of this, of course, is to produce a gross imbalance of the sexes in the next generation. When last I checked, the ratio of male/female live births in South Korea was 114/100. In other words, for every seven men, only six women. Because they have such rarity value, for the most attractive young women the rewards of prostitution will be enormous, and extremely safe - which will further reduce the availability of presentable potential wives. Another factor in Korea is the long-standing tradition among successful Japanese men of keeping a Korean mistress alongside his Japanese wife, so there will be a further outflux.


    In India in Mrs Ghandi's time, they tried a sterilization program of extreme inefficiency. Because the male operation is so much cheaper and less invasive than the female, that was used exclusively, and inducements were offered - usually a transistor radio. And because the people administering it were Indian bureacrats, it was corruptly applied. So men in their 70s were vasectomied two or three times, and flogged their spare sets for drinking money; while of course, it would have been politically unthinkable to apply it effectively. Can you imagine the outrage if a twelve-year-old girl who had committed no serious crime were to be forcibly dragged from the bosom of her family, even if that family was notoriously criminal and inept, and given a compulsory hysterectomy? Applied on a large scale, that might be effective - but no politician in a nominally democratic country would dare.


    There are other factors at work. For instance, the habit of many men, especially in the UK the USA and Australia, of importing Thai or Fillipina 'mail-order brides' will further reduce the availability of presentable women in their countries of origin, with more emotional hardship to their male contemporaries. So, given that there is no obvious way of increasing the female population, the most likely recourse is a spontaneous and unregulated reduction in the number of males. This can be, and is being, achieved by gangsterism and dangerous driving - but only in part. The most effective way of reducing the male population is war.


    Grit, the solution towards which you seem to be probing is eugenic legislation, whereby the least desirable elements in the population - i.e., those with serious genetic abnormalities, along with the least intelligent and the most emotionally unstable - should be compulsorily sterilised, by hysterectomy or vasectomy, at an early age. Before World War II, this was very heavily canvassed and widely approved, especially by socialist thinkers such as H G Wells and the Webbs. The US embraced it, as did every Protestant country in Europe except the UK. However, it was also embraced by a socialist thinker called Adolf Hitler, whose take on it was, to put it mildly, rather eccentric. Eugenics has never recovered its respectability.


    Interestingly, it looks as if eugenics may be getting back in by the back door, though only on a very small scale. Women who want children, but don't want a husband, or whose husbands are infertile, are resorting to AID - and they're understandably picky about who the donor should be. Apart from having no overt genetic defects, the ideal donor has a good first degree from a top-flight university - bonehead English from 'State' won't do; he should be proficient at a serious musical instrument - bonehead rock guitar won't do; he should be reasonably athletic, between 6'2" and 6'4" tall, and on the lean side without being ectomorphic. Any of you who fit that description, and like the idea of siring a number of children whom you may never meet, see if there's a clinic near YOU!

    Umbriel With respect, Bandb4, Hitler was the leader of the National SOCIALIST German Workers' Party. It behaved precisely as one would expect a party so named to behave. He also acknowledged his intellectual debt to Marx - especially Der Judenfrage. Marx, of course, was an anti-Semitic Jew of the most extreme sort. Such are rare, but not unknown. Noam Chomsky is another.

    flaminghanky
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      Wow didn't think I'd ever hear anyone say it b-4 it was too late & I don.t think I did. Some one mentioned the stupid & ugly of which I easily qualify. I would agree to extermination if six billion others would also sign up. And by the way I'm guessing your not running for any political office since those self serving A wholes never have had the balls to chance not winning a position of power to support their need for personal importance. Perhaps the scientists can come up with something to rid the planet of All the worthless greedy humans. We can hope.

    dunc Did Hitler not try the scientific approach look how popular and humane his ideas were.The Human being hasn't got the authority to say who should and should not be born . That is a decision that should be left to the Almighty whether they are concieved naturally or in a testtube.
    Grit Savage @ Dunc, I dont think flaminghanky means eugenics he means a control method! not sure how, but it would be very welcome.

    and I personally think that it is up to us (human beings) to help decide who can and cant reproduce.
    when you see 4 generations living on welfare and not contributing anything to society apart from more welfare dependants, do you not think that compulsory birth control is an option? or are you happy for your contributions going to those who don't and never will contribute? ;-)

    pythonlover
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    What about our Government in Australia.......If we have a child,we get $6,000,no questions asked.

    Grit Savage and you can see which western sydney suburbs have taken advantage of that "offer" to its fullest! ;-)

    nomdeplume
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    Someone came up with an interesting idea :


    All young men as soon as they reached puberty should give a sperm sample which would be stored for their lifetime, and then have a vasectomy.  Girls when they wanted to become pregnant would access their chosen partner's sperm. Simple, ingenious and cheap. I can't think of many objections, can you?



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